To Stig
#1
Posted 02 August 2012 - 05:07 PM
#2
Posted 02 August 2012 - 05:54 PM
Back into the shadows once again...
#3
Posted 06 August 2012 - 03:25 AM
#4
Posted 06 August 2012 - 08:28 AM
I think all classes appart from pacifists should be removed, then we can all be hippies and play nice together
Inappropriate Avatar - Crane
#5
Posted 06 August 2012 - 01:29 PM
#6
Posted 06 August 2012 - 04:10 PM
But you can't start making exceptions to the rules. Or before you know it, everyone is "exceptional".
Edited by Sausage, 06 August 2012 - 04:12 PM.
Retired... Now I know how it feels to quit NM and troll forums.
#7
Posted 06 August 2012 - 06:15 PM
As I said, it should be avoided in chat.I highly doubt there are many people under 17(r rating) lol. But either way, i dont really see why a clan house cant have swear words if clan chat can..
#8
Posted 06 August 2012 - 07:01 PM
1) Swearing & Abusiveness
a) Constraints
i) Allowed in clan/friend/enemy/party/paging chat unless someone seeing it complains to a staff member.
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#9
Posted 06 August 2012 - 07:45 PM
1) Swearing & Abusiveness
a) Constraints
i) Allowed in clan/friend/enemy/party/paging chat unless someone seeing it complains to a staff member.
Staff Comment: (Scripto on 01-22-2009) Pages/clan/friends = Freedom to say what ever, public chat and yells = bannable
#10
Posted 06 August 2012 - 08:05 PM
#11
Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:18 PM
#12
Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:14 PM
#13
Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:18 PM
I can show you a email sent by JLH saying that anything in clan chat, friend, enemy, or pages is ok and is not even bannable. I had this discussion when Jase banned me for cussing him in clan chat while he was on a staff crit and not even in the clan. He was monitoring my screen. JLH unbanned me. I can forward the email if you would like of him saying its not bannable and therefore if its not bannable it means it not against the rules.
The Police have spoken.
#14
Posted 07 August 2012 - 12:12 AM
1) Swearing & Abusiveness
a) Constraints
i) Allowed in clan/friend/enemy/party/paging chat unless someone seeing it complains to a staff member.
+1
Lappa/Woodstock on Multi
Dubs/Cold on 1a
#15
Posted 07 August 2012 - 03:16 AM
Different staff have different rules.
That really should not ever happen in any video game with staff.
And yeah I really do not understand and have never understood the swear rules. Should be free to say whatever you want unless it's in a public area. Which I guess it officially is.
#16
Posted 07 August 2012 - 03:17 AM
Edited by Sublime, 07 August 2012 - 03:19 AM.
#17
Posted 07 August 2012 - 06:50 AM
I occasionally do a realm-wide search for swear words, and your vaults were flagged. On the surface I cannot immediately discern if a room is private or not...
The official rules say it's allowed in the restricted chat channels, but due to the risk of complaint or accidentally saying it in the wrong medium, it is best avoided to play safe.
To be simple, why is this edit a problem?
You are taking a lot of ownership over something you do not actually own. It may be your clan room - or even your clan, but you do not own things that exist on Nightmist. JLH is clear about that in the Terms and Conditions.
Gareth is simply trying to do his job. Why should he have to deal with all of this flaming over a room that supposedly only one person sees?
The forum prevents swearing still. The posted rules have not changed. It is not Gareth's fault that not all staff bother to enforce what is written. JLH does not hold the staff team accountable to tracking all of the rules, nor does he update rules for them to enforce each time a player gets an e-mail or pass on something they do wrong.
-Proverbs 4:7
#18
Posted 07 August 2012 - 07:15 AM
The official rules say it's allowed in the restricted chat channels, but due to the risk of complaint or accidentally saying it in the wrong medium, it is best avoided to play safe.
Driving 120km an hour on the freeway is allowed, but I'm going to give you a ticket anyways due to the risk of accidentally surpassing that limit, it's best to drive at 30km an hour just to play safe.
You are taking a lot of ownership over something you do not actually own.
Isn't that exactly what Stig is doing? John clearly states that it's allowed. How do you expect people to follow the rules if every staffer can change them on a whim?
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#19
Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:21 AM
You are taking a lot of ownership over something you do not actually own.
Isn't that exactly what Stig is doing? John clearly states that it's allowed. How do you expect people to follow the rules if every staffer can change them on a whim?
"Chat" does not define a room or square. Clan chat is not clan room title or description. Similar? Certainly.
However, on this note, how does a staff member respond if players create clan room titles with rude things and another player pages or yells? The room desciption is swearing or abusive, even if the player did not say anything wrong or create the desciption. Rooms are part of the game, clan rooms included.
Additionally, Stig did not "punish" the player.
He altered or removed a room desciption; thus fixing what he considered an error in the game. He has not threatened any punishment either. If he banned you for your clan room - sure complain.
This all said - I do not care about swearing. However, I'm not playing the Devil's advocate. I really think it is bullnuts for Stig to get all of this grief over doing what he understands as the right thing by the rules. And he's not wrong.
You **thought this word had a filter** get a staff member who gives enough of a nuts to improve the game and add new areas, and then the server gangs up to publically bash him for doing what he thinks he should do.
*Note that my forum post was modified without anyone complaining about me saying bullnuts*
Stig, please decide to focus on Main. You can make my clan room descriptions rainbow type about a pony sailing a milk carton across a chocolate fountain.
-Proverbs 4:7
#20
Posted 07 August 2012 - 12:06 PM
With a full community, okey, you need to control things because they can get out of hand. But NM has been some friends just hanging around for a while now, to still dictate everything seems like major overkill.
Edit: Have fun either way tho, I just realized I haven't actually played in years.
Edited by Angelus, 07 August 2012 - 12:22 PM.
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#21
Posted 07 August 2012 - 01:30 PM
And another thing about the "public bashing".. If the majority's opinion doesn't mesh with authority's on a public forum, i wouldnt call that bashing. I would call that constructive criticism, as it is very likely that most of the people would want it that way if they were staff.
#22
Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:09 PM
Edited by Sublime, 07 August 2012 - 08:10 PM.
#23
Posted 07 August 2012 - 11:46 PM
It was a few months ago that I actually changed it, but I remember it being something more vulgar than that, containing the F word at least.For the record, there wasn't even anything abusive or vulgar about the room, I changed the descriptions so that when you walked into a wall it said, "That's a wall dumbass!" Seriously, if that offends someone, get a sense of humor, lol. Either way regardless of how any staff feel personally to it, it's still my vault that I purchased through game funds, it's not like my vaults were just handed to me and the descriptions just showed up out of the blue. And the fact remains the only people who can see it, are people who i allow to see it and staff, so why even bother changing it in the first place? Or at the very least, leave me a memo or something telling me that you decided to invade my space.
#24
Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:51 AM
I think all classes appart from pacifists should be removed, then we can all be hippies and play nice together
Inappropriate Avatar - Crane
#25
Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:13 AM
#26
Posted 08 August 2012 - 06:47 PM
I think all classes appart from pacifists should be removed, then we can all be hippies and play nice together
Inappropriate Avatar - Crane
#27
Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:56 PM
#28
Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:00 PM
#29
Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:10 PM
#30
Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:52 PM
Now, staff aren't employed as police, I know, but they can't even keep conistent. It's sad really.
Stig, way to do actually do something! It is not a public square though, no clan room is, and thus shouldn't be censored. I emplore that you reconsider your decision on clan vaults being changed. If someone complains, that is the time to take action, but not before.
Thank you for your time.
Well, you know, any thoughts of mine on the staff of nightmist are pretty old. I'm pretty sure Stig is the only staff really left, so in that sense, the staff team is awesome right now! XD
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