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[trigger happy]

i would like thiefs to be assassins because we basicly just use them for assassination because steal sucks..and use useless..but the problem is we have to many items thats made for "thiefs" and wouldnt be fit for assassins...also assassins are supposed to use like bombs and traps and things like that...and we got basicly nothin like that for them...so maybe make thiefs assassinate for a lil more? or somehow improve the ability to steal to fit the roll of theifs a little better...

plz post your opinions on this or how to improve thiefs in your own ways..

[Charon]

I'm reading this as if you are compaining that thieves are more like assassins than thieves.

You suggest bombs and traps, you suggest increasing assassinates effectiveness (why? lol, assassinate is plenty effective already!) to make them more assassin like.

Surely if thieves are more like assassins than thieves the real improvements would make thieves more thief like?

To me that would mean perhaps including some version of the /steal item idea mentioned in suggestions (the idea of stealing a random item, not the confusing idea with priorities and whatnot), it would mean substantially increasing the effectiveness of steal and it would mean decreasing the effectiveness of assassinate

What? Decrease assassinate? Blasphemy perhaps... but hear me out
As it is at the moment steal is so ineffective that if you want to 'steal' someones items you might as well kill them. Assassinate is a lot more likely to work, and quite a lot quicker really ^^
Plus if the target is carrying items you get those too.

If, however, stealing actually worked, and assassinate was more likely to fail- indeed if you were more likely to succeed by stealing than assassinating... things might change;

If a thief stood more chance of gettings someones money through actual thievery than by slaughter, they would perhaps be more likely to steal than assassinate.

Thieves aren't meant to be assassins, they're meant to be thieves. Something like this... it just might make them more thief like

Edited by Charon, 11 September 2004 - 12:24 AM.

[Ryuku]

These are not assassins, assassins use a veriety of skills to kill there enemy in less than 5 seconds. They throw daggers and many other weapons, are so fast, their hit rate should be as much as petes. Face it, if they were assassins, thieves would be the most powerful class, don't need 5, just one should be able to take out entire parties easy.

Edited by Ryuku, 11 September 2004 - 04:00 AM.

[trigger happy]

i mostely agree charon..

ryuku iam not sure how far your knowledge goes of assassins and anceint janapes martial arts and such...but mines goes a good ways sence i love it so much...i know that for a fact an "assassin"...isnt meant to take out partys...they are rarely involved in killing more then 1-3 ppl at a time...in the rare case that they do have to take out alot of ppl they do well depending on the abilitys of their oponents of course...i know that assassins are supposed to throw daggers and throwing spikes, posion their targets, even in rare cases set traps for them, but are allways silent

so assassins arent what you make them out to be..or atleast when i read your sentence it seems as if you look at them as ruthless killers that are like REALLY powerfull or something lol..

let me give you a fast example of an assassin killing someone...

first they watch their "prey". then they find an easy way in without either geting noticed at all or geting noticed as an enemy. then they find a way to their target, a safe way without any interference. next they plain on how the easiest way to take out their target is and then where they can run fastest to escape. then they finaly use the best method of taking out their target...see Assassination is exacly what assassins do lol...just look at the words

assassins arent warriors..or fighters...they are assassins..and live by a strick code..lol they arent something you might of thought they are..they are killers of honor and only kill certain ppl and for good reason...anyways if i didnt explain assassins right in anyways then plz tell me and if i miss took your sentence i am sorry...lol i just like assassins and things like that so much.

[Ryuku]

assassins arent warriors..or fighters...they are assassins..and live by a strick code..lol they arent something you might of thought they are..they are killers of honor and only kill certain ppl and for good reason...anyways if i didnt explain assassins right in anyways then plz tell me and if i miss took your sentence i am sorry...lol i just like assassins and things like that so much.

I agree with that.

[trigger happy]

lol well i cant actualy think of any really good ways to improve thiefs w/o messing up balance of game or making the making of all the daggers useless...i suggested on stealing un equiped items a LONG time ago...i wanted it to be current steal system just that you got a 50% chance of stealing item instead of gold..and if item was stolen then depending on what item it was is how offten you'd get it...

personlay i'd like thiefs to be able to steal in town..and get jailed if got caught(came out of covert while stealing it) and they'd have to be covert the whole time...and couldnt steal in pubs/banks/nm vault...lol but thats just my opinions..

[Penguin]

no

[trigger happy]

ok...cause of all the work allready put into thiefs it wont be changed to assassins iam sure....but still post your ways to improve thiefs plz...maybe staff will like one of them

[Penguin]

it would be neat to see something done to thieve's steal abilities, but I don't think in town is the answer

[trigger happy]

well i thought about it...i think it would work out to tell you the truth...i mean think about it...thiefs...whats a thief for..to steal...now tell me in stealing there is a certain risk in it depending on what he/she is stealing...well i think to be able to steal in town(but not at bank/vault/pub's cause of trades being done in them areas and ppl would be helpless as they did trades lol) but if they come out of covert(gota be covert for steal ability to work in town) then your jailed for a certain amount of time...would give it a little bit of flavor...that and make it so unequiped items could be stolen...yup..i'd like it alot lol

[Repair_man_man_man]

OK, Trigger_happy, you're just annoying me by calling them "thiefs" it's thieves.

[Penguin]

Any and all of your post are more annoying than his misspelling.

[trigger happy]

Any and all of your post are more annoying than his misspelling.

ty......

i only say thief...because in nightmist it is spelled thief...the monster thief and the crit is thief...so i say thief...its simple misspelling

[dark pyro]

my favrite class is thieves and so if steal would have a better chance of stealing i would be happy but then with assassinate then would be lowered by however much steal was improved. to be able to steal in town and get caught would mean that jlh pandalex(not sure how to spell) or some one else would have to make a nother add on which would most likely creat more lag for players that dont have fast computers.

ivote no to getting caught part but i vote yes to beable to steal in town however if u enter a town ur chance to steal would be like it is now very small. also u must stay covert for say minute before u can steal in town and say you also have to go covert before u enter town and i the gate guards-- is say gaurd becuse very rarely there is not some party or person there-- noticing u then u can not be able to steal in town.

this is just the way i feel on theives though

Edited by dark pyro, 15 October 2004 - 02:41 PM.

[Sean]

These are not assassins, assassins use a veriety of skills to kill there enemy in less than 5 seconds. They throw daggers and many other weapons, are so fast, their hit rate should be as much as petes. Face it, if they were assassins, thieves would be the most powerful class, don't need 5, just one should be able to take out entire parties easy.

Heres an idea then howz about making them as strong as you say then making them a solo class?

[Dracoden]

go read what charon said again. I strongy agree with what she said. It makes alot of sense. Make thieves be thieves, not the crit of choice when jumping someone for an ezpk.

As for the rest of you posting here, im not sure what youre talking about really, but go read charon's topic.

[newb2]

You have successfully revived a 10 month old topic without even adding anything of real substance.

I hope you feel proud of yourself.

[Dracoden]

yea I was bored, but i liked the topic and have never seen it before.. I usually never check class discussions. I figured it was for a good cause ... btw you just took the time to do the same thing.. you should be proud too!

ps all the recent thief class discussions are boring and pointless.. who friggen cares if a thief uses a cobalt or not. This one at least has some merit.

Edited by Dracoden, 08 August 2005 - 11:01 PM.

[Sourcream]

This has been suggested before and got shot down sorry ...

[Raylen]

---------------- Lokey ----------------
Class: Male Human Archmaster Assassin

Just thought i would point out the obvious

[combusta]

posts are 2 long, and if u actually read them, u should get urself checked

[ProApse]

I like my thieves. I like the thief class as is. Please, leave it alone?

[Gunshow]

I think it is being left alone, considering this is a 2 month old topic you bumped.

[Dark]

does it matter how old a topic is?

[Echo]

Truthfully I like thiefs that way to why change the names on everyone?