Potions In The Colliseum
#1
Posted 19 March 2008 - 01:56 AM
#2
Posted 19 March 2008 - 01:59 AM
#3
Posted 19 March 2008 - 02:02 AM
#4
Posted 19 March 2008 - 02:02 AM
Retired... Now I know how it feels to quit NM and troll forums.
#5
Posted 19 March 2008 - 02:04 AM
#6
Posted 19 March 2008 - 02:04 AM
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#7
Posted 19 March 2008 - 02:06 AM
when they were 5 gold it allowed players other than those that were very rich to experiment with parties consisting of just thieves, druids, fighters, rangers.... and using about as much gold outlay as a cleric+hitters standard party.
heres the math
124470's (5 gold for 100 hp) - 0.05 gold per point of HP
Lodestones (250 gold for 135mp) - assuming a decent cleric , works out at 0.07 gold per point of HP
So both are similar in terms of overall cost per point of HP
#8
Posted 19 March 2008 - 02:44 AM
You can sit there and say well get more people, but not everyone has the same kind of character as someone else, is on at the same time, not everyone has an extra of that class to loan out to others, and the enemy clans would not want to help their enemy level.
The current system is just fine we need the extra brews to be able to kill, and we cooperate within our clans and with our friends to kill the bosses over here we can not just load up our alts and go kill whatever we want solo.
#9
Posted 19 March 2008 - 02:56 AM
For the main players, stockpiling brews is the same way you guys stockpile alts
the only flaw i see in that arguement is; on main, there is a limit to how many alts one person can use. there is no limit to how many pots you can throw.
#10
Posted 19 March 2008 - 02:56 AM
#11
Posted 19 March 2008 - 02:58 AM
#12
Posted 19 March 2008 - 03:00 AM
#13
Posted 19 March 2008 - 03:12 AM
My main issue here is how the chosen method to defeat bosses in 1a (ie stockpiling brews) has had an effect on the multi server (ie raising the cost of brews). On Multi the brews brought an extra dimension of play, would anyone other than the super-rich ever try to get to and kill TK with just thieves mages and rangers (NO healers) without the 5gp brews? Knowing that they would probably fail?
Also, you say you cannot kill the colisseum bosses without using stockpiled brews.
Yes you can.
A Jaguar Potion costs 1 mill
A CJ (needed to level druids in multi) costs around 2.5 mill. A BoT costs around 1.5 mill
So the Jag Pot, which is an almost assured kill, is still cheaper than the multi equivilants
EDIT
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(quote from Autek) Also, cooperation is EVERYWHERE on 1a
Really?
The last 10 times ive logged onto nm1a, ive not had so much as a hello from people online. NM multi, its as good as assured at least 2 people will emote-abuse me at any time of day
Edited by joanna, 19 March 2008 - 03:16 AM.
#14
Posted 19 March 2008 - 03:17 AM
There is no way one person can solo a token boss on 1 alt, you cannot go in the square with alot of brews on the ground for you would lag and die anyway. We need the few brews we can throw up there, and there is also a limit to how many people we can take into the coli bosses on 1 alt as well. Here's my thing, why suggest something like this on 1 alt when you never have experienced it on 1 alt nor play it, it is alot different over here.
Try it and see, before posting next time.
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#15
Posted 19 March 2008 - 03:21 AM
So your argument of throwing endless numbers of brews/pots is non existent. Most of the time the party we take to coli bosses as Gristle/Demilich now only need around an extra 40-50 brews tossed because of higher level characters with more stamina.
The only reason mass numbers of brews/pots are tossed is it saves a bit of time when you are doing lets say, 3-10 of the same Coli Boss. Load up on enough brews, take the gold you need, and whaola, you saved about 45 minutes of game time.
Now granted, I think some of the colisium Bosses can be dropped without any brews being tossed because of the sheer numbers we have in Pande. If this change is implamented, it will hurt the much smaller clans who do not have the numbers to do such bosses. So if this happens, I would think it would cause more people to stop playing. Not like the two servers aren't strained enough with its small playerbass as it is now.
On a side note, why is it that people who mostly play main are the ones pushing so hard for this change? We even have one or two people who have publicly stated that they hate Nightmist alltogether and want to try to hinder other peoples sucess.
Main has its advantages. 1 alt also has its advantages. Both servers are played a bit differently. That is why there are two completely different versions to chose from.
The argument started out saying why has the unkown brew price been changes. Why did you not make this ardument many month ago when it was first changed? If you do not like the way 1alt is run, then play main where you can self rely and be nonsociable if you like.
#16
Posted 19 March 2008 - 03:27 AM
The argument started out saying why has the unkown brew price been changes. Why did you not make this ardument many month ago when it was first changed? If you do not like the way 1alt is run, then play main where you can self rely and be nonsociable if you like.
Why you ask? well lets start with the fact that while i was in pande i could never get the help i needed to train my low lvl crits it seems that the cooperation of 1a only falls with those who have high lvl crits i went to get some brews and the price had gone up and i couldnt afford to get them so i couldnt afford to train, and to top it all off i try to express myself and get booted and slapped on the kos list such love for a person like that should only be found in a graveyard
#17
Posted 19 March 2008 - 03:30 AM
On a side note, why is it that people who mostly play main are the ones pushing so hard for this change? We even have one or two people who have publicly stated that they hate Nightmist alltogether and want to try to hinder other peoples sucess.
Because it screwed up people on the NM main server who arnt that rich and the brews brought them something new. If the brews were brought back, blocked from been thrown to coloseeum squares, and the boss monsters changed so a sensible party could kill them without extra pots would you agree?
#18
Posted 19 March 2008 - 03:34 AM
On Multi the brews brought an extra dimension of play, would anyone other than the super-rich ever try to get to and kill TK with just thieves mages and rangers (NO healers) without the 5gp brews? Knowing that they would probably fail?
Which raised the price on the unknown brews anyway?
Hopefully not the one who participated in the fighter boss and waiting till they got 4 tokens to change it
So 6 months later the cost of increased brews is brought up and is now being challenged?
It makes no sense to me. If you are so adament in your argument, you would have made it within days of the change, not 6 months later
#19
Posted 19 March 2008 - 03:38 AM
As for Doug just because you did not get helped at some point doesn't mean that no one does that is not a high level or whatever. You could have just picked a bad time to ask I see everyone helping others out in Pande that is what our clan is about. You got removed for trying to make us agree to unecessary changes on a server you barely play. If you play main focus on getting that better for yourself, not trying to make those of us that play 1alt have it harder.
#20
Posted 19 March 2008 - 03:39 AM
There is cooperation in 1alt. Doug i believe i even gave you a character. As for not having money to buy brews, well hell you don't get to start out with money for a blade of time either. Hit and run, buy advanced healing potions, and rough it out like any other noob. You say there is no skill or challenge but it seems to me, that you're wanting hand outs and very cheap things so it's not so hard?
#21
Posted 19 March 2008 - 03:45 AM
Look through the forums, search for '124470' if you want proof.
This is been brought up now coz we have found several old-skool 124470 users in the same place.
#22
Posted 19 March 2008 - 03:47 AM
#23
Posted 19 March 2008 - 03:47 AM
#24
Posted 19 March 2008 - 03:52 AM
#25
Posted 19 March 2008 - 03:58 AM
As I see in clan chat all the time, most people do well enough on their own training. The only time ppl really group together to train is when we go bossing. Maybe you should get a better work ethic?The argument started out saying why has the unkown brew price been changes. Why did you not make this ardument many month ago when it was first changed? If you do not like the way 1alt is run, then play main where you can self rely and be nonsociable if you like.
Why you ask? well lets start with the fact that while i was in pande i could never get the help i needed to train my low lvl crits it seems that the cooperation of 1a only falls with those who have high lvl crits
No one else seemed to have trouble raising a crit from lvl 1 with help training. Main seems to be the best place for players who need help all the time.
#26
Posted 19 March 2008 - 04:00 AM
If you play main focus on getting that better for yourself, not trying to make those of us that play 1alt have it harder.
You chose to have it harder on 1a so why are you now shooting down the idea of keeping it harder and not making it easier?
#27
Posted 19 March 2008 - 04:02 AM
So yes, I support main brews going back to costing 5 gold each.
#28
Posted 19 March 2008 - 04:17 AM
Seems only fair that you shouldn't be able to beat him by throwing in pots. If you can't beat him, step your game up. Cobalt Bow, DotW on grandmasters with pots could do work.
But anyway. I didn't take the time to read all the arguments. So.. word.
Edit: And for those of you saying cobalt bow? what are you crazy?. No, I'm not. It's a colliseum boss not DG. It should be a pain in the ass and take a whole lot of working towards to be beaten. And on that note, I prolly won't post any more on this topic.
Edited by Sausage, 19 March 2008 - 04:19 AM.
Retired... Now I know how it feels to quit NM and troll forums.
#29
Posted 19 March 2008 - 04:33 AM
#30
Posted 19 March 2008 - 04:48 AM
And yes, when the change was made i was one of the first to suggest it was unfair on lots of nm multi players (ie those that were not filthy rich)
As for the 'cliquyness' of the nm1a clans, i think the comment i made earlier about how i can log onto nm1a and people who ive known for ages on nm main would refuse to even acknowlege me sums it up.......
But i believe a lot of here are fighting for the same thing. Leaving nm1a as it is and restoring nm multi to 5gp/brew would be a good compromise for both the 1A and the multi players
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