30 replies to this topic

[Ryuku]

K, I know Paci's can't join clan probally because there so easy to train. My suggestion is that, Paci can join clans but have no input on their points, because I want to talk to my clan members when I'm on my paci. Any suggestions to this are welcome.

[Consumed]

i kinda agree...dont see how it could hurt really...

[Minion]

The purpose of a pacifist was a class that could live on its own.

Therefor, joining clans was not allowed while using a character of this class.

[Stigmata]

what do you mean when you say 'My suggestion is that, Paci can join clans but have no input on their points'

If I understand correctly you mean no say in the running of the clan etc?

But thatd all depend on the player not the class wouldn't it?

[alone]

He meant the clans point score, same as Staff members don't affect the score. He just worded it badly.

Leave them as they are, why does everyone want to mess with Pacifists?

[Squee]

You have a friend list and an enemy list. This doesn't need to be put in.

[Ryuku]

My clan (aviators) is way to big to put them all my friends list. When I /clan members I lag really bad, so I don't need that as my ] option.

[Squee]

You can't honestly tell me that you'd put your entire clan on your friends. I mean...it's extremely hard to believe that you'd consider your entire clan a close friend.

I'm in DH and even though I treat everybody well, some people are just closer friends than others.

And what's the difference between /friend and /clan loc?
You'd (most likely) get the same amount of people if not more with /clan loc.

[dognapot]

pffft why not let them in clans? we can finally acknowledge that pacifists aren't solo classes, and that they exist almost entirely to benefit other crits either tactically or monetarily. with that resolved we can then move forward to making special swords for them that end fighting (because they're pacifists and are against violence) by killing all parties involved in humane and painless ways.

[Tadpole]

Ya grush is right, All clans benefit from pacis either way....they communicate either way....i dont really care if pacis can join clans but there really isnt a reason why they shouldnt now

[Deval]

I err, actually got the impression Grush/Dogna was using his sniper like sarcasm to voice his opposition to the discussion, and Pacifists in general.

[Dan]

Not that it means much, but here is my 2 cents...


True, Clans will log paci's at bosses using them on to check for spawns, They will take them into a boss square to help thier clan survive another successful unchallanged boss drop, they will train with one following closely, etc...

I supported pacifists in many ways, but all boiled down thier nothing more than untouchable, weaponless clerics.

The only truly possible thing to do, would be restricting pacifists. Allowing them specific areas where they are allowed to go and not allowing acess to other areas. Prior to pacifists everyone had to learn thier way arround without the safty factor, these players became better by doing so, newer players are going to rely upon having a paci close at hand, I don't see this as helping them in the long run.

[dognapot]

dan, it's just a lot easier to mold them into the form all the other classes fit. they're really pretty damn close as is. let them into clans, let them log on alts, let them use weapons to kill people and get killed. in every other aspect they're already there, and in some they exceed to such points that modifying them to be like the rest would balance them out considerably. yeah they'd lose those qualities that are supposed to fill nightmist's need for a class that can exist without PvP interference but let's face it: the expirement failed-pacifists can't exist without interfering in PvP relations, and are the workhorse of a player's stable.

[Bean]

Just remove a pacis ability to interact with a play on a personal level.

Make all their spells either monster or self only, and leave them only friend list to chat with people on. Not even general chat.

It seems harsh, but its the only way the class would truely be a NON pvp class...

[dognapot]

oh and don't forget to limit thier money/item transferring ability to that of a lvl 1 crit, and keep them off the site and whatnot. i'm so kidding myself.

[trigger happy]

look...if pacifist were made to be a solo class and not allow other crits to be used at the same time then keep it that way...and dont allow them to fight other people..only monsters...just take away the justice zone..cause it does make them easyier to help people out at monsters/bosses....if people want them in clans..let them have it.who cares...isn't like it would really hurt anything...also they should be able to heal/help other crits because pacifist are supposed to be against violance..not helping people...and yes they are used mainly to help other crits out by earning gold without having to worry about geting killed and losing the gold...if your a big of enough newb to need the extra secrurity then have at it....but pacifist should remain a 1 crit ONLY.....

WELP i think thats my whole 2 cents..lol...any errors in my typing please dont mind because it is very late here atm and i am tired and i dont care if i mess up while i type so sry for the typos lol

[Bean]

That post was full of contradictions.

[Gaddy]

pffft why not let them in clans? we can finally acknowledge that pacifists aren't solo classes, and that they exist almost entirely to benefit other crits either tactically or monetarily. with that resolved we can then move forward to making special swords for them that end fighting (because they're pacifists and are against violence) by killing all parties involved in humane and painless ways.

Dognapot always says things exactly how I think them.

[Deval]

WELP i think thats my whole 2 cents..lol...any errors in my typing please dont mind because it is very late here atm and i am tired and i dont care if i mess up while i type so sry for the typos lol

I'll forgive the typos, but not the complete lack of cohearancy...

[Mec]

jz should be limited to three players at a time, and pacifists should not be able to kill undead, make it so that exp is only gained by healing other players, go ahead and double the experience amount for healing though.

[Squee]

Healing gives (correct me if I'm wrong) 10 XP per one point healed.

You might as well try to level a fighter to 30 on giant rats.

[Mec]

Exactly, making pacifists extremely difficult to level.

[Ryuku]

Yes, even if Pacifists are let in clans they will remain a 1-alt class.

[Ryuku]

Bump

[Omniscient]

I was under the impression that they weren't allowed in clans so that they wouldn't show up as red to anybody.

I personally don't really care either way though.

[Repair_man_man_man]

I don't really care if they can join clans. But parties would be good. I don't see the point in them not joining parties.

[Satterlee]

making Pacis a reg class is destroying a cleric.

I mean, personally, if they did this id sell my cleric and put my arch pacifist into my party. is this really want you guys want?? You fire at an arch get him for like 300 points of damaging and he click a few times, becomes Healthy again?? If we make pacis regular, we may as well screw Pking

[Simulation]

making Pacis a reg class is destroying a cleric.

I mean, personally, if they did this id sell my cleric and put my arch pacifist into my party. is this really want you guys want?? You fire at an arch get him for like 300 points of damaging and he click a few times, becomes Healthy again?? If we make pacis regular, we may as well screw Pking

1. They are not talking about making a paci playable with alts (read the thread)
2. You don't have an arch paci

-Meep-

[Dc]

i thinink they should just be able to use general chat and paging. no friend chat or anything. they should not be able to join clans and should still be a single crit character. they should be even more restricted in player interaction. they should get thier own vaults so that you cant transfer items, and you should not be able to buy items off the site that were put there by your own crits. the should get about 25-35 xp per point healed instead of like 50 or whatever it is now. i think that would be more fair. they wouldnt be the easiest to train anymore, and it would be a lot harder to benifit other crits. oh yeah, they also shouldnt be able to donate to clans. im sure people can find ways around all of this, but it would make it a little more difficult.

[Pandora Pacifist]

Lol Dc, you ever really played a paci? Demonic Soldiers is groups of two still give me trouble, and im level 27. If we healed for the same amount as a cleric, then we mine as well screw the paci class. I mean, whats the point? Pacis live of their ability to heal. Tak that and downgrade it, id rather train a 10 10 10 10 10 10 fighter than train another paci. And what would a paci be without friend chat? I am not gonna waste my macros on /p so and so. And ya know, pacifists irl interact with ppl all the time. What your sayin is basically lockin us in a drak room and sayin, best of luck. Stop hating us and accept us. Were here to stay, so freakin get over it.

BTW: I heal for 70 with salve, 25 with soothe.