23 replies to this topic

[combusta]

k jw wht berserker community feels...im nt asking u if u dont own a zerk cuz probably ALL of u will say "yes it should blah blah blah zerks r overpowered blah blah blah"

[ShymiPunch]

Vowels are necessary in making words, but it seems you do not like to use them. You seriously need to learn how to type decently . . . It takes so long to "translate" into decent english that any interest I once had in what you were saying is lost.



Edit :: Ah, and I don't think that Zerker's stamina needs to be lowered.

Edited by ShymiPunch, 25 February 2005 - 03:54 PM.

[Eden]

The game can be fairly easily seperated into two categories.. crits killing bosses/monsters and crits killing other crits. In the first, zerks are a balanced class, their high damage is made up by them hurting themselves and their lack or armor. A party comprised of a bunch of zerks chewes through cleric stam at any decent boss, limiting what a player solo can kill.

But, bosses have hundreds of thousands of hps so fights last long enough for these drawbacks to come to the surface. Crits don't. When a zerk rounds another crit with 3/4 of its stam hitting, thats bad. Also, while with zerk/smite a zerk can click ANYTHING ingame, a zerk is very hard to round (almost to the point where it doesn't matter). I feel this makes for a class that is horribly unbalanced player vs. player. But eh, I'm not the first one to say this, and nothing has changed as of yet so I'm not going to hold my breath.

Oh yeah, obviously voted yes :P

[Raylen]

I voted no (sorry Jason). Zerkers can be a little annoying at times though, perhaps lowering their hit chance a bit would help to solve these problems - in my opinion a zerker SHOULD be able to click stuff...it should just be a little less likely.

[Thunderja]

I have a better idea, will post if I can ever be bothered

[Evergrey]

Lowering their dmg would result in Ranger version 2.0 no AC more hp's to make up for it.

But on the other hand, Zerkers have one great benefit. They are cheap!

<old example I know but still> Get an arch mage 2-4 mil gold... get EQ for said crit 2-3 mil <roa's amulets etc etc>. there now you can go out round halfling thieves/rangers

Berserker 1 mil gold.. weapon 50-270k <exception on Csotw>

Ranger 2 mil gold EQ 3millish <roa's aoh etc etc>

So how many "newbs" are inclined to make the 4-7 mil it takes to get a good archmaster in the game we play today? I would say not many, thus they take the easy way out and get Zerks.

People can say that Zerks are a pain to lvl... they miss alot etc etc, obviously they have never trained any rangers in their time on game. The lvl's up to Dual shot is horrible... and even after that it's pretty much horrible 'til enchanted bow.
People say that Zerks miss to much, again try a lvl 23 ranger with Dualshot/rapid fire.

In my experience with the superior fire power and stam Zerks lvl FASTER than a ranger at the same lvl simply due to 1 more stam most of them time and 50+ dmg more each hit, and even if your ranger would hit 3/3 at lvl 23 with rapid, the zerk needs 1-2 hits to do same dmg and gain same experience. It's not the stamina that worries me, it's the fact that a "Budget" crit such as berserkers dominate this game.

"Budget" Crits to the people!

[Ryuku]

Lower hit rate, not stam. A strong fit person (like a fighter) would have more stamina to do things, it just fits, lower hit rate, like Raylen said, would be a better idea.

[Rappy_Ninja]

zerk = bout 1m by time you spend the even lower value of 1.7 for bot (they go for SO cheep now days) you round stuff 9/10 times with only rf

[deadman]

No it should remain the same.

[Stigmata]

I think zerkers are a little overpowered at the moment, due to the fact that they get 6 stamina at level 30 and don't have to spend more than 500k on the best standard equipment.

To make things fairer, and stop the mass of players training several zerkers up to arch to pk with, simply because they are the cheapest crit - I suggest zerkers only receive 6 stamina after gaining 300mil exp.

[Gaddy]

But it's been long enough that even I am voting no as to lowering their stamina.

Well, zerks get 6 stam at level 27, and fighters get it at level 28---that's kind of gay imo...but ya know, fighters aren't all that for much of any of their stuff, more all around than all dominating at anything.



They've got a ton of strong points and a couple of weak points.
I don't really see how these things balance out, but screw it...

Strong-
-Highest damage, by far
-Top stamina (6)
-Around 200 more HP than other classes of their race (that's a lot of HP)
-Can ignore armor with smite
-Can click nearly anything without spells
-Can click everything with spells

Weak-
-They hurt themselves for a bit with each of their normally used attacks (wastes cleric stam---it's enough to make me want a cobalt for Doublemint at bosses)
-They don't have any equipable armor. (natural and spelled ac they've got)
-They miss quite a bit if they haven't got spells on them---in PvP, not all that much in player v monster.

[Ë£ Mëxíçåñø]

no.. and no more posting on this crap lol zerks should stay the way they are..

and gaddy nicely pointed out

[combusta]

josh...mr i dont use zerks...this post was for ppl who own berserkers....btw i said no myself...i was jw wht community feels like

[Momba]

josh...mr i dont use zerks...this post was for ppl who own berserkers....btw i said no myself...i was jw wht community feels like

And you think that by having only people who own/play zerkers your going to get an honest vote count on what should be done to better the game?

[Lifeless Void]

Pfft no, thats their advantage
its like saying "Should rangers be able to use a bow?!"

[Egbert]

I had a level 29 zerker once.... He could own everything. They definetely need to be lowered somehow.

[Da_J_Mooney]

josh...mr i dont use zerks...this post was for ppl who own berserkers....btw i said no myself...i was jw wht community feels like

He doesnt USE them.... but he OWNS them.... thats exactly wut u asked... noob..

[Sean]

I think berserkers stamina could be reduced to 5. Reasons being while berserkers have 6 stamina, fighters lose the only thing that makes them remotely unique.

However, I think if berserkers did lose a stamina. Then their should hit slightly harder and maybe a touch more often.

This is because even with 6 stamina a berserker can miss reguarly unspelled for 4 stamina on average. If a berserker had only 5 stamina, and missed on average unspelled 4. Then they would fast become as useless as mages are at present.

I think this is a realistic idea, and as stated fighters would regain some of their originality.

Edited by Sean, 06 March 2005 - 09:57 PM.

[combusta]

dude the game is fair quiet you

ONCE AGAIN U DONT LIKE ZERKS DONT PLAY THE GAME

fine only post if u USE zerks...happy?

[Snoopy]

Stam lowered no, but i think perhaps the lvl you get extra stam should be slowed a little, by a few lvl's make them a little more normal to train?

[Lifeless Void]

Stam lowered no, but i think perhaps the lvl you get extra stam should be slowed a little, by a few lvl's make them a little more normal to train?

Maybe

[Wolfgang]

I agree with whats been said above...

Either lower the accuracy a bit, or raise the level you need for 6 stamina.

I vote no. Because while yes, it is very irritating to get taken out by a party of berserkers at any random time, if you can get in enough good hits, they have the disadvantage of having no armor.

Eternyte made a good point in the old forums too. o_O

(Sorry if this doesn't sound that well thought out. I've only been awake for 20 or so minutes)

[fallen]

my 2 cents is under the suggesting string ....

[»Ðrøwñëd Iñ Çømplìçàtìøñ«]

umm Berserkers cant beat rangers 1 on 1. Rangers always round berserkers. but berserkers always round mages. Ranger kills berserker but cant touch mage... kinda strange really


No BErserkers are fine way they are