lesbian porn is not a display homosexuality, but a simplistic public display of affection...a display i am compelled to watch and observe.
the porn industry is a devout sanctuary where perverts are protected by an unspoken law. whatever is behind that little black curtain in the video store is not privy to your judgement, and you can not persecute shady looking old men who scamper out of porn shops with a goody bag filled with oversized vhs/dvds of porn.
because what a woman does to another woman with a vegatable is tasteful and "natural". after all, the "parts fit", it "doesn't gross people out", the "definition fits", and maybe, just maybe, they "can have kids together". =D
go porn go
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Posted 02 August 2004 - 07:37 PM
I feel honored I am mentioned twice in one post unless there is another pagen I dont know about..lol..
Mec you have proven nothing except you are a bigit.. Also I have an interesting question Mec do you believe that hitler was a good man. Next mec if you have a problem with either the fact I have dislexia a disease I can not help Or the the fact that I am a pagen I will gladly go at your religon and show you how falsley based, theives, Liars and two faced it is. As to the gay debate you are a child you have never even met a gay person and I did, in fact post a website yet once again you choose to ignore what you could not answer. So unless you post have a go at Chritianity and destroy my miserable life we are done speaking.
Afireinside. I undersand how you feel Stay calm he is not worth it. He is a hitler want to be, who has proven nothing that he has said, and sadly enough an annoyance. Please calm down bro.
I again ask everyone else to please ignore him and I will even return my plea that we actually get one of us who knows how to debate take one side, just post hey me and I will take the other. I refuse to debate with a Bigit let alone one who hasn't even seen his first pubic hair, and no mec that is not a pubic hair that is your Love handle.
Chuckles Fire dont look its not worth it.... LOL..sorry fire couldnt resist
Mec you have proven nothing except you are a bigit.. Also I have an interesting question Mec do you believe that hitler was a good man. Next mec if you have a problem with either the fact I have dislexia a disease I can not help Or the the fact that I am a pagen I will gladly go at your religon and show you how falsley based, theives, Liars and two faced it is. As to the gay debate you are a child you have never even met a gay person and I did, in fact post a website yet once again you choose to ignore what you could not answer. So unless you post have a go at Chritianity and destroy my miserable life we are done speaking.
Afireinside. I undersand how you feel Stay calm he is not worth it. He is a hitler want to be, who has proven nothing that he has said, and sadly enough an annoyance. Please calm down bro.
I again ask everyone else to please ignore him and I will even return my plea that we actually get one of us who knows how to debate take one side, just post hey me and I will take the other. I refuse to debate with a Bigit let alone one who hasn't even seen his first pubic hair, and no mec that is not a pubic hair that is your Love handle.
Chuckles Fire dont look its not worth it.... LOL..sorry fire couldnt resist
Edited by Lich, 02 August 2004 - 07:53 PM.
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Posted 02 August 2004 - 08:23 PM
ok i had decided to shut up and just let him spout off sice he is to stupid to shut up. So I have decided i will take a diferent route with this.
OK mec lets say that being gay is a choice a few seconds shall we.
Regardless of how one defines the origins of one's own sexuality, it remains true that one has a choice about whether or not to act on that sexuality. While most lesbians and gays disagree with the Religious Right's characterization of homosexuality as a "lifestyle," they tend to agree that there is a subculture associated with lesbians and gays, which includes involvement with such things as gay publications, gay political activism, gay shops and merchandise, gay clubs and events, and so on. But this subculture is huge and diverse, and it intersects with a number of other subcultures which do not have anything to do with sexuality, such as the politically active or the new age spiritualists or the conservative traditionalists. In fact, within the lesbian and gay subculture you might find a number of different lifestyles, but these are typically based on activities and beliefs that a group has in common, and the only thing "queer" people have in common with each other on the whole is the fact of being "queer", of loving members of the same sex rather than the opposite sex. This makes the concept of the homosexual lifestyle sound almost as ridiculous as the heterosexual lifestyle, as though one's sexual identity alone were sufficient to shape one's way of life.
Nevertheless, lesbian and gay people do make a choice about whether or not to identify with and participate in the gay subculture, but this is a choice that the Religious Right believes should not be protected under law, because they have defined it as an immoral choice. The radical "queer" critique of this position is quick to point out, however, that religion is also a choice, and there is undeniably a religious, or specifically Christian, subculture in this country which many choose to participate in. Under the present laws, those who make such a choice are protected against discrimination, so that those who participate in the Christian subculture cannot be denied housing or employment on that basis, while those who participate in the gay subculture can be. The Right, of course, argues that this discrepancy is based on the inherent worth of these two subcultures, claiming that homosexuality harms individuals, families, and society, but the radical critique counters this claim by pointing out that the potential for harm exists within all subcultures, and that the Christian subculture is certainly guilty of its share of psychological abuse and cultural suffocation.
The argument for biology as the source for homosexuality also suffers from a rather obvious but potentially catastrophic consequence: if scientists are ever able to locate a "gay gene," we can be sure that the Religious Right will use such evidence to promote the wholesale abortion of fetuses carrying this gene, even though this will mean a dramatic reversal of the Right's position on abortion. Already there is massive disagreement in the scientific community over whether it would ever be possible to "map" homosexuality as a genetic trait, with those who recognize the marketable potential of such knowledge crying the most loudly for its discovery. And again, focusing our energies and attention towards such an unlikely possibility only continues to remove us from the real issue of sexual freedom, which is the goal of radical queer theory regardless of whether or not individual homosexuals feel they had a choice in the matter.
But in any case The fact still remains that under the laws of the united states wether choice or Biology, gays and lesbians are entitled to the same protection as are the christians. Like it or not.
Free your mind you will go farther.
Argue that one .. Someone who is not tired please check that and tell me if i have way to many mistakes to understand the letters are jumping.
OK mec lets say that being gay is a choice a few seconds shall we.
Regardless of how one defines the origins of one's own sexuality, it remains true that one has a choice about whether or not to act on that sexuality. While most lesbians and gays disagree with the Religious Right's characterization of homosexuality as a "lifestyle," they tend to agree that there is a subculture associated with lesbians and gays, which includes involvement with such things as gay publications, gay political activism, gay shops and merchandise, gay clubs and events, and so on. But this subculture is huge and diverse, and it intersects with a number of other subcultures which do not have anything to do with sexuality, such as the politically active or the new age spiritualists or the conservative traditionalists. In fact, within the lesbian and gay subculture you might find a number of different lifestyles, but these are typically based on activities and beliefs that a group has in common, and the only thing "queer" people have in common with each other on the whole is the fact of being "queer", of loving members of the same sex rather than the opposite sex. This makes the concept of the homosexual lifestyle sound almost as ridiculous as the heterosexual lifestyle, as though one's sexual identity alone were sufficient to shape one's way of life.
Nevertheless, lesbian and gay people do make a choice about whether or not to identify with and participate in the gay subculture, but this is a choice that the Religious Right believes should not be protected under law, because they have defined it as an immoral choice. The radical "queer" critique of this position is quick to point out, however, that religion is also a choice, and there is undeniably a religious, or specifically Christian, subculture in this country which many choose to participate in. Under the present laws, those who make such a choice are protected against discrimination, so that those who participate in the Christian subculture cannot be denied housing or employment on that basis, while those who participate in the gay subculture can be. The Right, of course, argues that this discrepancy is based on the inherent worth of these two subcultures, claiming that homosexuality harms individuals, families, and society, but the radical critique counters this claim by pointing out that the potential for harm exists within all subcultures, and that the Christian subculture is certainly guilty of its share of psychological abuse and cultural suffocation.
The argument for biology as the source for homosexuality also suffers from a rather obvious but potentially catastrophic consequence: if scientists are ever able to locate a "gay gene," we can be sure that the Religious Right will use such evidence to promote the wholesale abortion of fetuses carrying this gene, even though this will mean a dramatic reversal of the Right's position on abortion. Already there is massive disagreement in the scientific community over whether it would ever be possible to "map" homosexuality as a genetic trait, with those who recognize the marketable potential of such knowledge crying the most loudly for its discovery. And again, focusing our energies and attention towards such an unlikely possibility only continues to remove us from the real issue of sexual freedom, which is the goal of radical queer theory regardless of whether or not individual homosexuals feel they had a choice in the matter.
But in any case The fact still remains that under the laws of the united states wether choice or Biology, gays and lesbians are entitled to the same protection as are the christians. Like it or not.
Free your mind you will go farther.
Argue that one .. Someone who is not tired please check that and tell me if i have way to many mistakes to understand the letters are jumping.
Edited by Lich, 02 August 2004 - 08:54 PM.
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Posted 03 August 2004 - 12:16 AM
If you were running in the election.... I would vote for you O wise one.lesbian porn is not a display homosexuality, but a simplistic public display of affection...a display i am compelled to watch and observe.
the porn industry is a devout sanctuary where perverts are protected by an unspoken law. whatever is behind that little black curtain in the video store is not privy to your judgement, and you can not persecute shady looking old men who scamper out of porn shops with a goody bag filled with oversized vhs/dvds of porn.
because what a woman does to another woman with a vegatable is tasteful and "natural". after all, the "parts fit", it "doesn't gross people out", the "definition fits", and maybe, just maybe, they "can have kids together". =D
go porn go
I wouldn't mind stabbing you in the face, if that's cool with you?
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Posted 03 August 2004 - 03:58 AM
The bottom line of the gay/lesbian debate is that they are human beings and with that are entitled to being happy, regardless of how, especially in our country. Thats all I'm going to say and I'm gonna leave it at that.
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Posted 03 August 2004 - 04:52 AM
Mec, please stop whining and insulting people. Carry out this debate like an adult.
We'll douse ourselves in gasoline and hang our bodies from the lampposts.
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Posted 03 August 2004 - 07:49 AM
[quote]No, actually, you've lost.
Gay's do what they do on purpose, I just don't buy the hormone thingy, nobody has offered me proof, and even if they do, it's faulty. You won't buy my religious beliefs, I don't but the hormone stuff.[/quote]
No, gays do NOT choose to be gay, they act the way NATURE made them. If we had a choice to between hetero- and homosexual behavior, wouldn't you be able to choose to be homosexual? However it is completely against your nature, isn't it? And the earlier argument about never having seen animals show homosexual behavior, I have to disappoint you too, I have seen male dogs hump other male dogs.
[quote]Secondly I'd like to point out what kind of people are arguing here: a gay, a pagan, a dislexic, and last, maybe even least, a child.
And they all lose to the child![/quote]
You forgot the bisexual 30 year old married mother of two, rape victim and person who aborted a pregnancy due to that rape who happens to be of a non-christian religion, who paid her taxes unlike you, to support your education and social security.
We do not lose to you, simply because you give us no valid arguments. It is funny how you ignore most of my posts so far.
[quote]I've been too soft on you pathetic liberals.[/quote]
Come up with a better insult.
[quote]You can't argue with it, I'm right:
Gay's choose to do something that mkake people uncomfortable, that's right, they CHOOSE to. Ohoo, Caesar was gay... no.. wait, he had a wife, I don't think he's really gay. The Raja's in india could order people to sleep with them, and people did. Why did the raja do it? Because he could and it was for pleasure.[/quote]
Let us mention Leonardo Da Vinci instead then, or Shakespeare, also homosexual. Fact is, homosexuals have existed since the beginning of mankind. It is fanatics like you who turn it into something un-natural, same with having red hair in the middle ages, where I would have been burned at stake because nature decided to give me red hair. Nobody is forcing you to become homosexual, just grant those who are the right to see the person they love in intensive care, to give them the right to show they belong together. It will not affect you in any way, you will not have to admit them to your church, your house, your circle of friends. You are trying to make someone else's life miserable simply because they don't live their lives your way, and you talk about selfishness in all your posts!
[quote]Oh besides, afireinside? Beware the ides of march.[/quote]
Leave the guy be, nobody is picking on you for being heterosexual and christian, or are we?
[quote]So pretty much, today, with the corrupt surpreme court, and the junky, ignorant liberals all over the place, gays can get away with what they want to do, and since morality counts for little in modern times, they can just do whatever they want to do.[/quote]
If you want a dictatorship back where nobody is allowed any opinion but yours, buy some tropical island and make your own. We all appreciate the option of being allowed to be "ignorant liberals". Morality, as you call it, is different for everyone. Your religion gives you set values you live by, other religions give people other values. I have a set of morals. Mine are to treat others with the same respect they give me, to be honest and helpful and to stay true to myself. Do not dare claim that only your moral values are the only good ones.
[quote]Since alcoholics and druggies are prevented from some places because of their practices, so should gays. [/quote]
Alcoholics and druggies suffer from an addiction. Homosexuality is not an addiction. Zebras are not leopards, apples aren't bananas. Do not throw them in the same pot, simple as that.
[quote]Abortion is selfish, a woman's "right to privacy" is NOT equal to a child's life. A life is more precious than anything, and they just toss it away for their own selfish reasons. In rape cases, it's not the child's fault that he came into existence, h's innocent. You can't just kill him like that! He NEVER did anything to you![/quote]
Trying to outcast homosexuals is selfish too. After all the only reason you don't want them around is because they make YOU uncomfortable. besides, how many times do I have to tell you that a lump of cells is not yet a child? Did you not read my posts? It is preventing a child to be created, but so is taking the pill and using condoms. I refuse to listen to your stupid arguments on this subject until you have physically gone through the pain and degredation of a rape and the feeling of the seed of your tormentor growing inside of you. When you have experienced the shame, the suffering, the suicidal thoughts, the feeling that your life is worth nothing because someone tore out your soul like this, I will listen to you again. Call it selfish all you want, I think after experiencing the most traumatizing thing any woman can possibly go through that woman is entitled to some selfishness.
[quote]Most abortions are done so they don't know they have been sleeping around with people. Selfish people DONT WANT TO FACE THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ACTIONS. Half of this would be prevented if certain behavior was not encouraged by the worthless, ignorant, donkeys.[/quote]
I do agree that abortion should never be a way of birth control, however, fortunately that is not what it is used for. Most women who got pregnant through consented sexual intercourse will weigh their options carefully. And the majority of the cases decides to give birth to the child. Sleeping around does not have to get a woman pregnant if she takes adequate measures (pill, condoms etc.) but there are those occasions where an unwanted pregnancy occurs. Trust me when I tell you that an abortion is not an easy thing to go through, and most women who have experienced it once will not have it happen a second time.
However, it is not for you to decide the wrongs and rights about abortion, it is not your place to judge those women that, for whatever reason decide they can not have a child. No woman will make the decision lightly, therefor stay out of somethign that does not concern you.
[quote]Ignorant dems, America is not all economical, and people should not have to pay for OTHER PEOPLE being selfish.[/quote]
America is all about economy in case you haven't noticed yet. Let's discuss the paying though, Mec. Tell me what you have paid for so far. I have paid taxes for longer than you are alive, I gave birth to two US citizens who will probably later on support you. I also had an abortion and I fight for gay rights. Unlike you I have contributed to the welfare of the US despite those "selfish" actions of mine.
[quote]Alright, I'm angry, IGNORANCE makes my angry, you BUMS.
Now go get a life and don't bother this discussion again. You are WRONG![/quote]
Ignorance makes me smile Mec, especially yours. So far you are the only ignorant person posting on this thread.
Get a life? I have a life. I finished college and am now mother of two children, I pay my own bills. What about you? I pay for your education with my taxes, yet I have to watch the miserable results. I wish I coudl opt out of paying taxes. I don't want to support you any longer.
[quote]Bush is better for America for the simple reason that he does what is RIGHT. Sometimes he can be wrong about what is right economically, but it is a very difficult job. Kerry doesn't even know what he STANDS FOR, how the hey could he run a country. How the hey could he 'do better'? He's an irresponsible BRAT. (yummmm!) Can't even take responsibility for falling off his BIKE, for Pete's sake. And he's a weak president too, just look at the way he pitches
.[/quote]
What Bush does is right? He ignores the UN, an international organization that the US was a founding member, and marches into Iraq for no obvious reason, claiming there are chemical weapons. He gets thousands of US soldiers killed, friends, fathers and mothers, sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, all dead because of his war. Flame him as much as you do women who have abortions. Thousands of people who were going to pay for your social security dead. Even worse, thousands more who now live on welfare with their kids because Bush's war killed their sole source of income. And do not come up with the argument that the military will compensate. I have been in a military family and I can assure you, what you get will not pay to support a family.
Kerry might fall off his bike, but at least he doesn't get caught making statements like "the majority of our imports comes from foreign countries". I would rather have a physically than mentally challenged president. Aside from that I don't support either Bush or Kerry. I left the US and live in Germany now, so you can screw up your country all you want by voting for Bush.
[quote]The ignorant donkeys and the republicans should have baseball match. Actually, I don't think the dems could even keep score.[/quote]
I think you just now found out about party maskots, sooooo cute.
[quote]Get a life, and THEN discuss it.[/quote]
Got one, now you try finding yours so I can stop paying for your school.
[quote]To save a bit of trouble, the next post is going to be about the stupid, false hormony thingy again. My response if going to be: "prove it, oh, and while you're at it, get a life"[/quote]
To save a bit of trouble, I would appreciate if you actually could reply to my posts with valid arguments for once. And when it comes to proof, you have yet to present us with any proof for your own theories, so why don't you start and we follow?
Gay's do what they do on purpose, I just don't buy the hormone thingy, nobody has offered me proof, and even if they do, it's faulty. You won't buy my religious beliefs, I don't but the hormone stuff.[/quote]
No, gays do NOT choose to be gay, they act the way NATURE made them. If we had a choice to between hetero- and homosexual behavior, wouldn't you be able to choose to be homosexual? However it is completely against your nature, isn't it? And the earlier argument about never having seen animals show homosexual behavior, I have to disappoint you too, I have seen male dogs hump other male dogs.
[quote]Secondly I'd like to point out what kind of people are arguing here: a gay, a pagan, a dislexic, and last, maybe even least, a child.
And they all lose to the child![/quote]
You forgot the bisexual 30 year old married mother of two, rape victim and person who aborted a pregnancy due to that rape who happens to be of a non-christian religion, who paid her taxes unlike you, to support your education and social security.
We do not lose to you, simply because you give us no valid arguments. It is funny how you ignore most of my posts so far.
[quote]I've been too soft on you pathetic liberals.[/quote]
Come up with a better insult.
[quote]You can't argue with it, I'm right:
Gay's choose to do something that mkake people uncomfortable, that's right, they CHOOSE to. Ohoo, Caesar was gay... no.. wait, he had a wife, I don't think he's really gay. The Raja's in india could order people to sleep with them, and people did. Why did the raja do it? Because he could and it was for pleasure.[/quote]
Let us mention Leonardo Da Vinci instead then, or Shakespeare, also homosexual. Fact is, homosexuals have existed since the beginning of mankind. It is fanatics like you who turn it into something un-natural, same with having red hair in the middle ages, where I would have been burned at stake because nature decided to give me red hair. Nobody is forcing you to become homosexual, just grant those who are the right to see the person they love in intensive care, to give them the right to show they belong together. It will not affect you in any way, you will not have to admit them to your church, your house, your circle of friends. You are trying to make someone else's life miserable simply because they don't live their lives your way, and you talk about selfishness in all your posts!
[quote]Oh besides, afireinside? Beware the ides of march.[/quote]
Leave the guy be, nobody is picking on you for being heterosexual and christian, or are we?
[quote]So pretty much, today, with the corrupt surpreme court, and the junky, ignorant liberals all over the place, gays can get away with what they want to do, and since morality counts for little in modern times, they can just do whatever they want to do.[/quote]
If you want a dictatorship back where nobody is allowed any opinion but yours, buy some tropical island and make your own. We all appreciate the option of being allowed to be "ignorant liberals". Morality, as you call it, is different for everyone. Your religion gives you set values you live by, other religions give people other values. I have a set of morals. Mine are to treat others with the same respect they give me, to be honest and helpful and to stay true to myself. Do not dare claim that only your moral values are the only good ones.
[quote]Since alcoholics and druggies are prevented from some places because of their practices, so should gays. [/quote]
Alcoholics and druggies suffer from an addiction. Homosexuality is not an addiction. Zebras are not leopards, apples aren't bananas. Do not throw them in the same pot, simple as that.
[quote]Abortion is selfish, a woman's "right to privacy" is NOT equal to a child's life. A life is more precious than anything, and they just toss it away for their own selfish reasons. In rape cases, it's not the child's fault that he came into existence, h's innocent. You can't just kill him like that! He NEVER did anything to you![/quote]
Trying to outcast homosexuals is selfish too. After all the only reason you don't want them around is because they make YOU uncomfortable. besides, how many times do I have to tell you that a lump of cells is not yet a child? Did you not read my posts? It is preventing a child to be created, but so is taking the pill and using condoms. I refuse to listen to your stupid arguments on this subject until you have physically gone through the pain and degredation of a rape and the feeling of the seed of your tormentor growing inside of you. When you have experienced the shame, the suffering, the suicidal thoughts, the feeling that your life is worth nothing because someone tore out your soul like this, I will listen to you again. Call it selfish all you want, I think after experiencing the most traumatizing thing any woman can possibly go through that woman is entitled to some selfishness.
[quote]Most abortions are done so they don't know they have been sleeping around with people. Selfish people DONT WANT TO FACE THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ACTIONS. Half of this would be prevented if certain behavior was not encouraged by the worthless, ignorant, donkeys.[/quote]
I do agree that abortion should never be a way of birth control, however, fortunately that is not what it is used for. Most women who got pregnant through consented sexual intercourse will weigh their options carefully. And the majority of the cases decides to give birth to the child. Sleeping around does not have to get a woman pregnant if she takes adequate measures (pill, condoms etc.) but there are those occasions where an unwanted pregnancy occurs. Trust me when I tell you that an abortion is not an easy thing to go through, and most women who have experienced it once will not have it happen a second time.
However, it is not for you to decide the wrongs and rights about abortion, it is not your place to judge those women that, for whatever reason decide they can not have a child. No woman will make the decision lightly, therefor stay out of somethign that does not concern you.
[quote]Ignorant dems, America is not all economical, and people should not have to pay for OTHER PEOPLE being selfish.[/quote]
America is all about economy in case you haven't noticed yet. Let's discuss the paying though, Mec. Tell me what you have paid for so far. I have paid taxes for longer than you are alive, I gave birth to two US citizens who will probably later on support you. I also had an abortion and I fight for gay rights. Unlike you I have contributed to the welfare of the US despite those "selfish" actions of mine.
[quote]Alright, I'm angry, IGNORANCE makes my angry, you BUMS.
Now go get a life and don't bother this discussion again. You are WRONG![/quote]
Ignorance makes me smile Mec, especially yours. So far you are the only ignorant person posting on this thread.
Get a life? I have a life. I finished college and am now mother of two children, I pay my own bills. What about you? I pay for your education with my taxes, yet I have to watch the miserable results. I wish I coudl opt out of paying taxes. I don't want to support you any longer.
[quote]Bush is better for America for the simple reason that he does what is RIGHT. Sometimes he can be wrong about what is right economically, but it is a very difficult job. Kerry doesn't even know what he STANDS FOR, how the hey could he run a country. How the hey could he 'do better'? He's an irresponsible BRAT. (yummmm!) Can't even take responsibility for falling off his BIKE, for Pete's sake. And he's a weak president too, just look at the way he pitches
.[/quote]What Bush does is right? He ignores the UN, an international organization that the US was a founding member, and marches into Iraq for no obvious reason, claiming there are chemical weapons. He gets thousands of US soldiers killed, friends, fathers and mothers, sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, all dead because of his war. Flame him as much as you do women who have abortions. Thousands of people who were going to pay for your social security dead. Even worse, thousands more who now live on welfare with their kids because Bush's war killed their sole source of income. And do not come up with the argument that the military will compensate. I have been in a military family and I can assure you, what you get will not pay to support a family.
Kerry might fall off his bike, but at least he doesn't get caught making statements like "the majority of our imports comes from foreign countries". I would rather have a physically than mentally challenged president. Aside from that I don't support either Bush or Kerry. I left the US and live in Germany now, so you can screw up your country all you want by voting for Bush.
[quote]The ignorant donkeys and the republicans should have baseball match. Actually, I don't think the dems could even keep score.[/quote]
I think you just now found out about party maskots, sooooo cute.
[quote]Get a life, and THEN discuss it.[/quote]
Got one, now you try finding yours so I can stop paying for your school.
[quote]To save a bit of trouble, the next post is going to be about the stupid, false hormony thingy again. My response if going to be: "prove it, oh, and while you're at it, get a life"[/quote]
To save a bit of trouble, I would appreciate if you actually could reply to my posts with valid arguments for once. And when it comes to proof, you have yet to present us with any proof for your own theories, so why don't you start and we follow?
Edited by Lady_Maha, 03 August 2004 - 07:52 AM.
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Posted 03 August 2004 - 11:12 AM
TWO for president! roflmao.lesbian porn is not a display homosexuality, but a simplistic public display of affection...a display i am compelled to watch and observe.
the porn industry is a devout sanctuary where perverts are protected by an unspoken law. whatever is behind that little black curtain in the video store is not privy to your judgement, and you can not persecute shady looking old men who scamper out of porn shops with a goody bag filled with oversized vhs/dvds of porn.
because what a woman does to another woman with a vegatable is tasteful and "natural". after all, the "parts fit", it "doesn't gross people out", the "definition fits", and maybe, just maybe, they "can have kids together". =D
go porn go
Mec you are a bigot, but unlike you, I would go to war to protect your right to be a stupidass bigot.
No I take that back about you being a red-necked, bible-bashing, sheet-wearing bigot. You are displaying all the traits of a repressed, closet homosexual.
There, I've 'outed' you, don't you feel a sense of relief?
Edited by Wafer, 03 August 2004 - 11:16 AM.
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Posted 03 August 2004 - 08:53 PM
C: Being gay is un-Christian; that's already been established I'm sure.
As is lying and stealing and looking at a woman (or man, for that matter) lustfully, and last time I checked, God sees all sins as equal. I must admit, I find that hard to rememer at some points, but that's mostly because of society placing more negatives on some things. One of my best friends is gay and christian. I don't know where that stands and it's also not for me to know, that's God's job. And for the record, if same-sex marriages ever get legalised in Canada, I'll go to his wedding with bells on.
On the other hand, it would take a very specific defenition for me to feel okay with the legalisation of gay marriage. Many people have mentioned the separation of religeon and state on this forum and I'm all for that, in fact, that's the only reason I have against the legalisation. I fully support two people who love each other getting all the state given benifits and recognition given to 'normal' married couples. Common-law couples (such as my parents) get them, and as I continually remind myself, common-law is no different in God's eyes. I think it's wrong for same-sex couples to not have both the state recognised liscence and the option to live common-law.
{there's a rather interesting story up here in Canada right now: same-sex marriages are legalised in some provinces already and there was one couple who got married right away. . .the only problem is that now they want a divorce and our amusing country never legalised that part, so they're stuck together.
I hesitate to call it a funny situation because that's such a large thing to overlook when making laws but I think it'll go down in stupid-law history}Now to justify why I feel uncomfortable with the legalisation: the point has been made that if your religeon doesn't agree with same-sex marriages, they don't have to perform them. I'm not certain that that will remain the case for long after the legalisation. I don't really know how to find information that would set aside this qualm (or confirm it, for that matter), so I have to sit and watch my country decide whether or not my religeon is hateful because it's against their beliefs to perform a same sex marriage.
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Posted 03 August 2004 - 09:29 PM
Actually hun if you read all the legislation in both the US and Canada same sex marriages would only be performed in the court house wedding religons unless they agreed to perform it would be exempt.
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Posted 03 August 2004 - 10:02 PM
I know that's what it's supposed to be, but I get a little anxious what with all the assorted articles (granted, they may all be propaganda) floating inside my weekly bulitens saying that they're trying to pass bills that will quickly lead to the banning of the Bible as hate liturature. Think what you want about the bible, but it makes me a bit uncomfortable since it's a pretty big part of my 'religeon'. All I can do (until I have a break from school) is take in short radio news segments and propaganda from whoever hands it to me and try to glean what I can from that. ( Well, that and send my boyfriend onto the internet to look up assorted things.)
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Posted 03 August 2004 - 10:23 PM
That's the dumbest thing I've heard in... probly years. Killing people makes me happy. Oh so happy; I'm getting giddy just thinking about it......................The bottom line of the gay/lesbian debate is that they are human beings and with that are entitled to being happy, regardless of how, especially in our country. Thats all I'm going to say and I'm gonna leave it at that.
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Posted 03 August 2004 - 11:14 PM
Penguin The difference being that you are killing someone and hurting that persons family.
Gay people are not hurting anyone least of all you, They cause no harm to anyones family, Instead they are finding a family all their own.
What you just said is the stupidest thing i have heard in 29 years of life. Right up there with the saying we are fighting terrorists in other lands just not our own.
Karri It is not cristianity that i really have a problem with, If you actually sit down and read the bible it does show a good way to live. It is those that pervert it and make it something other than what it is that i have a problem with.
With in the book itself it states a goldenrule that is very simalar to mine but i have only met a few christians that actually follow it.
My rule: go your way in peace and harm none.
the christian rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Both of these rules say it in diferent terms but the meaning is the same.
He who brings life shall recieve life, he who brings death shall find death, he who lives in peace with those around him shall find peace as well.
It is not the bible that causes hate it is the people who change texts to make it fit what ever it is that they are fighting at that time.
My religon(sp) is an old one and i will say it yes older than christianity, History has shown at one time my religon was strong and violent and destructive. But we the people who followed it learned from the mistakes of those before us. This brings me to another christian rule in the bible Learn from the mistakes of others.
You do not have to believe in my goddess and i dont need to believe in your god, But i can learn from what i see from the people of yours and you from mine that is what being human is.
Most of what you have read is propaganda and nothing more. All the laws would do is allow the two people involved to have the same stately rights as any other married couple. It is not the people being allowed that would ever cause the bible to be burned as hate literiture, But the people who make it hate literiture themselves.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
NEW YORK 26 Oct 98 - A sniper shot and killed an abortion doctor at his home outside Buffalo, New York
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
"More violence is inevitable, and it is righteous." "It wouldn't bother me if every abortionist in the country today fell dead from a bullet."
--Charles Roy McMillan. Time 3/27/95
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
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The things listed above are all hate, If we lived by the golden rule of christianity they are saying to us, We do it to you so you can do it to us. This is what would cause the bible to be burned as hate Literature not the joining of two people asking for the same rights as anyone else.
Gay people are not hurting anyone least of all you, They cause no harm to anyones family, Instead they are finding a family all their own.
What you just said is the stupidest thing i have heard in 29 years of life. Right up there with the saying we are fighting terrorists in other lands just not our own.
Karri It is not cristianity that i really have a problem with, If you actually sit down and read the bible it does show a good way to live. It is those that pervert it and make it something other than what it is that i have a problem with.
With in the book itself it states a goldenrule that is very simalar to mine but i have only met a few christians that actually follow it.
My rule: go your way in peace and harm none.
the christian rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Both of these rules say it in diferent terms but the meaning is the same.
He who brings life shall recieve life, he who brings death shall find death, he who lives in peace with those around him shall find peace as well.
It is not the bible that causes hate it is the people who change texts to make it fit what ever it is that they are fighting at that time.
My religon(sp) is an old one and i will say it yes older than christianity, History has shown at one time my religon was strong and violent and destructive. But we the people who followed it learned from the mistakes of those before us. This brings me to another christian rule in the bible Learn from the mistakes of others.
You do not have to believe in my goddess and i dont need to believe in your god, But i can learn from what i see from the people of yours and you from mine that is what being human is.
Most of what you have read is propaganda and nothing more. All the laws would do is allow the two people involved to have the same stately rights as any other married couple. It is not the people being allowed that would ever cause the bible to be burned as hate literiture, But the people who make it hate literiture themselves.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
NEW YORK 26 Oct 98 - A sniper shot and killed an abortion doctor at his home outside Buffalo, New York
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
"More violence is inevitable, and it is righteous." "It wouldn't bother me if every abortionist in the country today fell dead from a bullet."
--Charles Roy McMillan. Time 3/27/95
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
http://www.web.net/~...stianRight.html
The things listed above are all hate, If we lived by the golden rule of christianity they are saying to us, We do it to you so you can do it to us. This is what would cause the bible to be burned as hate Literature not the joining of two people asking for the same rights as anyone else.
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 04:06 AM
thanks for addressing me this time, made it much easier
what if he is an orphan
What I said is 100% perfect analogy to what she said.
what if he is an orphan
What I said is 100% perfect analogy to what she said.
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 04:55 AM
No actually it is not. You are comparing Gays to a murderer, A murderer is guilty of taking the life of another person, a gay person is not. The murder forfited his right to live or be free the second his pleasure harmed another.
The gay person hurts no one and there for still has his right to be happy.
The gay person hurts no one and there for still has his right to be happy.
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 07:28 PM
I only made reference to her statement "right to be happy".
There is no such thing, there should never be, the comment was stupid, end of story.
There is no such thing, there should never be, the comment was stupid, end of story.
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 08:05 PM
By the constitution of the United States of America yes there is:I only made reference to her statement "right to be happy".
There is no such thing, there should never be, the comment was stupid, end of story.
http://www.law.corne...n.overview.html
Check for the little sentence that contains the words "The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness ". Those few words are part of what founded the US, yet you call them stupid.
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 08:10 PM
Would you rather I quote the Declaration of Independence directly?
I'd love to see you call this stupid:
I'd love to see you call this stupid:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 08:51 PM
Points to what they said.There is a right to happinessin the US so once again what you said is still the stupidist thing i have heard in 29 years.
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Posted 04 August 2004 - 10:46 PM
rofl don't be an extremist, do you agree that if killing people (orphans if necessary) makes me happy, then I should do that? after all I'm only pursuing happiness. no, somethings, no matter how happy they make you, you can not/should not do!
but according to you I have the right to happiness no matter right or wrong.
but according to you I have the right to happiness no matter right or wrong.
Edited by Penguin, 04 August 2004 - 10:47 PM.
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Posted 05 August 2004 - 04:51 AM
As long as that happiness harms NO one else, Murdering someone affects someone other than yourself, being gay does not, that is your difference. The fact it harms no one else makes it fine. You say it is wrong and compare it to murder but you fail to realise that when you murder its very nature harms someone else, Infact requires that person to be harmed. Being gay only requires another gay person to say yes, in the morning you are either staying togeher or you are going home, so i still dont agree with you and never will.
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Posted 05 August 2004 - 05:02 AM
what if you have an std?
well anyway if you've already decided you won't change your ideas and have also why am I wasting my time here?
well anyway if you've already decided you won't change your ideas and have also why am I wasting my time here?
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Posted 05 August 2004 - 05:40 AM
Newsflash, heterosexual people carry STDs too. Should we outlaw sex completely now?what if you have an std?
well anyway if you've already decided you won't change your ideas and have also why am I wasting my time here?
Fact is, when two people, hetero- or homosexual consent to having sex it is quite different from murder. They BOTH pursue happiness by wanting to be together without harming anyone else. I highly doubt a murder victim consents to being killed.
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Posted 05 August 2004 - 03:35 PM
The problem comes when they do.I highly doubt a murder victim consents to being killed.
Because it happens. Does noone remember those 'shocking' cases we read about in the papers sometimes?
There was the man who arranged to be cut up and cannibalised by a man in germany(I think it was germany, I dont quite rememeber) There was an outcry, but because he had wanted it, they were really stuck over what to do at least initially.
It was obviously a morally repulsive thing to do, yet that person had, supposedly, wanted that. It supposedly made him happy.
A less extreme case might be Euthanasia
Completely and utterly illegal in many countries, but I personally believe this has some sort of moral ground. I believe its an iffy one, and I am very very aware that I may sound strange saying so, but I believe that to some extent euthanasia should not be illegal.
As of 1999-MAR, unless a person lives in Colombia, Japan, the Netherlands or the state of Oregon, the only lawful option is to remain alive, sometimes in intractable pain, until their body finally collapses
If a loved one was in such pain due to a medical condition they might never fully recover from... should they be allowed to choose to end their life with some dignity, or should they be forced to live that long and drawn out life of misery?
A patient in many cases cannot ask for their treatment to stop. Sometimes they can... but the medical proffession does not always let them.
Yes they can opt not to be resusitated if they do die, but they must live, and take their drugs until such a time when that decision becomes opperable.
Suicide is a legal act that is theoretically available to all. But a person who is terminally ill or who is in a hospital setting or is disabled may not be able to exercise this option - either because of mental or physical limitations. In effect, they are being discriminated against because of their disability. Should they be given the same access to the suicide option as able-bodied people have?
Above all, assisted suicide is prosecutable as manslaughter... which is the exact same charge many murderers end up facing.
The fact that the 'victim' wanted to die does not stop them being a victim of murder in the eyes of the law
((I chose to blather on about this rather than this strange homosexuality being compared murder idea... because I can't quite get my head around that idea... sorry ^^;; ))
Edited by Charon, 05 August 2004 - 03:38 PM.
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Posted 05 August 2004 - 04:38 PM
Yes it happened in Germany (I live here, so we had first hand news reports and it was the first reported case of cannibalizm in Germany). However, it was not a murder, as judges finally decided, since the person did consent to being killed and eaten. So my point still stands, no murder victim ever consented to being murdered, otherwise it wouldn't be murder.The problem comes when they do.I highly doubt a murder victim consents to being killed.
Because it happens. Does noone remember those 'shocking' cases we read about in the papers sometimes?
There was the man who arranged to be cut up and cannibalised by a man in germany(I think it was germany, I dont quite rememeber) There was an outcry, but because he had wanted it, they were really stuck over what to do at least initially.
When it comes to euthanizing people we have touched an extremely shady issue. I do agree that someone who has no chance of survival, who only lives because the machines keep him alive and has to be in constant pain, should upon request be allowed to have his life ended if he isn't capable of doing so himself.The only problem is where to draw the line. Some doctors might say it's a hopeless case, yet people mysteriously recovered despite prognosis. How can we ever be sure?
Even harder when the person isn't capable of communicating his wishes anymore. Can we decide for them when to end it, loving them and not wanting to see them suffer?
It's a difficult issue I guess, one that has to be carefully decided in each individual case.
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Posted 05 August 2004 - 07:58 PM
Is that still a horrible thing though? Someone who wants to die so he gets cut up and eaten?
It's the same with abortion pretty much, except he's not eaten.
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Oh, Lich?
We've estabished that abortion harms me.
Many, many kidnappings are done by gay people.
Being gay is the #1 way to spread aids and that stuff, too.
Also, if being gay is an 'option' to people, more people will be gay, and that's bad, because we will have fewer children that way, and even if they adopt, the children require a mother AND a father.
Either New Zealand or Australlia (not sure which) legalized prostitution.
They had regulations on it, but this became a source of income for some people, and there was competition, so now, people are doing that stuff for about 10$, and since it's an 'easy' ten bucks, young like 14 year olds are (illegally) doing it too, because it's an 'option'.
Being gay should not be an option.
It's the same with abortion pretty much, except he's not eaten.
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Oh, Lich?
As long as that happiness harms NO one else, Murdering someone affects someone other than yourself, being gay does not, that is your difference. The fact it harms no one else makes it fine. You say it is wrong and compare it to murder but you fail to realise that when you murder its very nature harms someone else, Infact requires that person to be harmed. Being gay only requires another gay person to say yes, in the morning you are either staying togeher or you are going home, so i still dont agree with you and never will.
We've estabished that abortion harms me.
Many, many kidnappings are done by gay people.
Being gay is the #1 way to spread aids and that stuff, too.
Also, if being gay is an 'option' to people, more people will be gay, and that's bad, because we will have fewer children that way, and even if they adopt, the children require a mother AND a father.
Either New Zealand or Australlia (not sure which) legalized prostitution.
They had regulations on it, but this became a source of income for some people, and there was competition, so now, people are doing that stuff for about 10$, and since it's an 'easy' ten bucks, young like 14 year olds are (illegally) doing it too, because it's an 'option'.
Being gay should not be an option.
Edited by Mec, 05 August 2004 - 08:05 PM.
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Posted 05 August 2004 - 10:03 PM
Mec as i said before we have not established abortion hurts you as Stotic corrected you on that, and i will no longer speak to you about Gays as you are a bigot, and nothing more. So untill you grow up learn to argue with actual arguements, and no i will not repost what i have already posted you can read the board yourself, Please do not get involved anymore since we have all agreed to ignore you as you are a bigot and a not well informed one even.
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Posted 05 August 2004 - 10:19 PM
i dont think that most people get the fact that because two gay people have sex it doesnt spawn std's, one of them has to have std's firsts, and the rate of std's in heterosexuals and homosexuals is about the same, but the news just doesnt chose to air that because it is to boring and its more interesting to hear about a group people dont like getting sick
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Posted 05 August 2004 - 10:59 PM
Yeah, but it's the #1 way to spread them.
No, it does harm me:
We've established this: Abortion = lessening of population = less social security.
Someone said something about the way social security is going tat. . . no! Lessening of the population HARMS me.
Oh, get this: Politicians benefit children?
Before on my SATs I was getting you know... low 90s, high 80's 1 or two. of 99s..
This year, I got all 99s (da best) except for one 92 and a 98. Bush's education plan has worked wonders for me at least...
I do not want my children to be gay, I do not want this to look like an 'option' for them. I should not have to bear the social or whatever pain of my child being gay.
Now, aside from that...
You all are posting the same arguments pretty much over and over, and so am I. Either way, I'm making more sense than you are, you STUPID EVIL people
No, it does harm me:
We've established this: Abortion = lessening of population = less social security.
Someone said something about the way social security is going tat. . . no! Lessening of the population HARMS me.
Oh, get this: Politicians benefit children?
Before on my SATs I was getting you know... low 90s, high 80's 1 or two. of 99s..
This year, I got all 99s (da best) except for one 92 and a 98. Bush's education plan has worked wonders for me at least...
I do not want my children to be gay, I do not want this to look like an 'option' for them. I should not have to bear the social or whatever pain of my child being gay.
Now, aside from that...
You all are posting the same arguments pretty much over and over, and so am I. Either way, I'm making more sense than you are, you STUPID EVIL people
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Posted 05 August 2004 - 11:21 PM
Oh dear. Everytime I see Mec's name come up I feel like a gawker at a car wreck: I've seen it before, it's the same scene mashed around a little different. (I swear you must copy and paste from your previous posts, Mec)
I don't think WE'VE established that at all. You've stated it, like that, several times.
I wonder, how much has dear George Jr changed the educational system down there in these past few years?? I'd be mighty surprised if many teachers drastically changed their methods simply because a new president was elected.
They are all posting the same opinions over and over, yes; do you expect them to change them simply because you don't agree?? What they are NOT doing is posting the same arguements. There have been appeals to biology, human rights, and even empathy just to name a few. . .all of which you have systematically ignored.
I must say that I did feel sorry for you: you seemed like a young guy who was enthused about his set of values, but had not yet gained the tack to discuss them with others. Now I'm suspecting that you're a young guy who just wants to cause trouble by throwing around views that you know nothing about (or are pretending to be such).
We've established this: Abortion = lessening of population = less social security.
I don't think WE'VE established that at all. You've stated it, like that, several times.
This year, I got all 99s (da best) except for one 92 and a 98. Bush's education plan has worked wonders for me at least...
I wonder, how much has dear George Jr changed the educational system down there in these past few years?? I'd be mighty surprised if many teachers drastically changed their methods simply because a new president was elected.
You all are posting the same arguments pretty much over and over, and so am I. Either way, I'm making more sense than you are, you STUPID EVIL people
They are all posting the same opinions over and over, yes; do you expect them to change them simply because you don't agree?? What they are NOT doing is posting the same arguements. There have been appeals to biology, human rights, and even empathy just to name a few. . .all of which you have systematically ignored.
I must say that I did feel sorry for you: you seemed like a young guy who was enthused about his set of values, but had not yet gained the tack to discuss them with others. Now I'm suspecting that you're a young guy who just wants to cause trouble by throwing around views that you know nothing about (or are pretending to be such).
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