jurian, on Feb 21 2005, 07:15 PM, said:
well looking at jlh's reply and there not being a reply from simon i'm assuming nothing will happen and the game will steadily get worse.
If you, or anyone else, has direct questions they want to ask me, they can e-mail me, and post my response onto the forum.
I respond to all e-mails and/or forward them to JLH if necessary.
With regards to some of the fuzzy issues raised in this thread:
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Ed, Bill, and Di admit to taking kev's account. Let me put this into a real life situation for you.
Many people hide keys to their house in case they are locked out. Lets say Steve goes on vacation, and tells Mary where the key was hidden, so she could go inside everyday to feed his cat. Mary remembers an old argument with Steve, and decides to tell Joe where the key is hidden. Joe proceeds to go inside the house and steal Steve's TV and car keys, and drive's away with Steve's car.
Joe gets out of his cab, goes inside his house, and finds the TV gone and his car stolen out of the garage. Joe calls Steve and says "Haha you goy pwnz0red by Joe!" Steve then calls the police, and says "Joe Schmoe stole my car!" What do the police do?
A. Take Joe into custody for theft.
B. Do nothing, because Steve trusted Mary with the key, so it's Steve's fault.
You're welcome to take this scenario, but unfortunately it doesn't apply to Nightmist. Because there is one rule that is different in Nightmist than to real life. And that is if you fail to adequately protect your property, then we are not liable.
In real life, if you leave your front door open and someone walks in and takes everything, they can go to jail.
In nightmist, the rule is that you shouldn't have left your door open in the first place, so nothing will be done (at the administrator's discretion).
If you need to ask why, just look at the amount of effort that has been put into stopping people hurting themselves. Take clans as a prime example. Originally, clans had just Members and Leaders. But the amount of stupidity that came along from people appointing random fools (rather like giving strangers the keys to your house) meant we decided because of the sheer volume of stupidity, to create founders. Founders, the idea was, would mean one person (the original creator) was always in control. However, there would be cases when people would want to create a clan together - so multiple founders came about.
However, suprise suprise, people started appointing random strangers as founders, and the whole situation started over. So to reduce the problem even further, yet another tier (all tiers bar leader completely unneccessary if people only promote those they trust) was created - chairperson. As you can see, only by creating one, immovable member was the problem rectified. Anything less, and people would screw themselves over with their own stupidity. And it wasn't just one, or two people, it was enough for us to have to put this system in just to lower the ridiculous amounts of completely unnecessary complaints.
Remember pre-trade system? People always screwed themselves over by not trading with staff supervision. The trade system took a very long time to write, and was unneccessary to stop thefts (despite it being very useful) if people only listened.
And so the third topic is approached - people gave out their clans, their items, and now their account details! When does the stupidity end?
You'll notice so far I haven't used any reference to thievery. That's because there is none. The rigid policy of Nightmist is that we don't have to do ANYTHING, we have no liability whatsoever for the above three situations. You'll also find this is the policy of other MMORPGS, such as Eve Online where someone documented one of the greatest in-game money scams I have ever seen in my life, because there was no liability.
Thievery is just a replacement word the community here has created to switch the blame from the stupid person to the recipient. It is a relabelling of the word 'Stupidity'.
I think whatever happens to these stupid people is punishment enough for doing it in the first place. Occasionally, it happens to tear apart greater friendships. Too bad. All I can say is, don't share in the first place. It isn't condoned or recommended by staff.
Next issue: "You're so biased why do this, why do that, etc."
Right. From where myself and JLH sit, we can see the entire game, its past, its present, its future, and everything that goes on behind the scenes.
There are many things I have done in the past, the present, and will continue to do so that will get me huge amounts of abuse from people on the forum. Sadly these things are very necessary. Unfortunately by their very nature, revealing why I have done and do certain things will completely destroy their effectiveness. So it is unfortunate that some things which I get abuse over are the very things that are saving the people who are complaining against me.
Due to the nature of it, I don't really want to give any examples out because it would compromise their existance, so unfortunately you'll just have to continue slating me on this issue, and I'll just have to keep ignoring you.
However, with regards to this particular case, see above: Staff don't have to lift a finger because of people's stupidity. While both myself and JLH would almost always actively help people who lost their things this way, the sheer volume of it and stupidity caused us both to help less and less (more so in my case, where I have simply given up entirely).
Next issue: Relationship between JLH and myself
Firstly, I'd never do anything to make the game worse. That aside, everything I do, I justify it to JLH. If I don't, I assure you he will ask me and bring up every possibility. He is a great person and he puts a huge amount of effort into this game. Everything major is generally discussed and I assure you he will not allow anything he disagrees with. Anything you might think about 'puppets' is assuredly false. One thing I will say is that because of his fanatisicm for helping Nightmist means that rather a lot of suggestions get added, and there are lots of them that I disagree with, or think should be tweaked slightly. It just goes to show his passion, I think.
Note : Logs contain passwords (relevent? who knows)
Next issue: Desired measures
Rather like the whole clan member/founder/chairperson and the trade system, you would like us again to cut off the part of people that makes them stupid. Essentially, hold their hands, or perhaps bind them would be a better analogy, to prevent them hurting themselves again.
Unfortunately this is one thing we cannot do. There's nothing that can be done to stop you from giving out your password.
IP addresses change and are not consistant. MAC addresses do not exist unless you're on dialup, and even then can be changed easily. E-mail addresses can be terminated or lost sometimes, resulting in complete inability to restore accounts. Computer IDs are lost on formats. All of the above bar e-mails stop you playing at your friend's house. None are possible. E-mail is the exception, but is compromised when passwords are given out, and thus is completely redundant.
Nothing can be done to stop people being stupid in this way.
Next issue: Current affairs
You can brand a few people who seem to be the people on the rather more lucrative side of these acts of stupidity, but it won't detract from it. People will be stupid, someone will replace them, and at the end of the day, they're doing nothing wrong. Turn around and blame the thieves, not these people.
Next issue: Belief
If you disbelieve anything here feel free to e-mail JLH, and ask his opinion. Rather than publically run your mouth off about issues, contact him if you feel I'm biased or won't reply (although I always do).
If you think staff don't care about something, why don't you ask us, rather than post the very informative and intellectually stimilating "staff sux n dont care" messages.
I think you'll find many other people would simply lay down the law, and go through and ban everyone that makes the slightest suggestion they disagree.
Final thought:
You're the minions, we're the lords. Don't act above your position, but do what anyone with leaders should do, and question motives you do not understand or disagree with. Do so DIRECTLY, rather than ramble on in a forum post, with slurs and other nonsense that you've made up just to directly insult people.
Good day.
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