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[Sneaky]

JLH-

Ed, Bill, and Di admit to taking kev's account. Let me put this into a real life situation for you.

Many people hide keys to their house in case they are locked out. Lets say Steve goes on vacation, and tells Mary where the key was hidden, so she could go inside everyday to feed his cat. Mary remembers an old argument with Steve, and decides to tell Joe where the key is hidden. Joe proceeds to go inside the house and steal Steve's TV and car keys, and drive's away with Steve's car.

Joe gets out of his cab, goes inside his house, and finds the TV gone and his car stolen out of the garage. Joe calls Steve and says "Haha you goy pwnz0red by Joe!" Steve then calls the police, and says "Joe Schmoe stole my car!" What do the police do?

A. Take Joe into custody for theft.
B. Do nothing, because Steve trusted Mary with the key, so it's Steve's fault.

[Trevayne]

JLH -

We do want you to enforce "permanent" bans. Why take the hours that you already spent long ago in sorting through logs and conversations that resulted in these bans and throw that time away? Why would you now allow them to be lifted?

Edited by Trevayne, 20 February 2005 - 10:30 PM.

[Momba]

Trevayne, on Feb 20 2005, 10:30 PM, said:

JLH -

We do want you to enforce "permanent" bans. Why take the hours that you already spent long ago in sorting through logs and conversations that resulted in these bans and throw that time away? Why would you now allow them to be lifted?

Cause Pandilex told him to unban them. JLH is no more then Pandilex's puppet. He does what he says. That has been proven time and time again.

All these comments about who is banned and who should be banned should be directed towards Simon. But as many who post already know he is part of the problem. He is the one who overturned Ed/Bills ban.

So we can all sit here ranting and raving over how we think the game should be, but in all reality the game is the way Simon wants it to be. He is the brains behind the project. He believes that in order to have a balanced world/game you need both good and bad. So get on the side of the fence you choose to rep and play the dang game.

I choose to be a thief to those outside my circle. Anyone who is not inside this circle who gives me information about thier accounts will get jacked. Those who trust those inside my circle, but are not inside my circle will get jacked. Hence the reason Ed is 2 Baron's Bracelets short.

Forget your morals and values when you log on NM. NM is the darkside of gaming. It is where thieves spawn hourly and are left to florish in this environment.

[EvilDognapot]

jurian, on Feb 20 2005, 05:02 PM, said:

Stigmata, on Feb 20 2005, 04:51 PM, said:

Momba, on Feb 20 2005, 04:07 PM, said:

I am always way off on my views, but I think JLH lacks the balls it takes to override Simons decision to ban Ed/Bill and Simon is to stubborn to admit he was wrong in allowing them to come back.

Another way to look at it. They just don't give a moose. What better way to control the population on a server that is maxed out. Put it in autotheft mode and like a soap opera watch the story unfold.

I say steal what you can while the getting is good. Thier is still plenty of fresh meat out there.

2 Baron's Bracelets Me. 0 items and gold lost to other thieves.

JLH lacks the driving ambition to bother questioning Pandilex.

They are friends in real life - and if it was the same for me i'd probably go with my real life friend's decision too.

but pandi is the only person that doesn't see how this mooses up the game. i'd sure would like to know his reasoning for letting them stay.

and why aren't we allowed to read the convo between jen and simon? if he has a valid point in his reasoning for letting them stay then wouldn't it be a good thing to let the players read the convo?

not being allowed tor ead that convo just makes me think that simon knows how stupid it is to let them play.

i always thought that jlh and pan made thier decisions to be less involved in these disputes because if they were any more involved they might as well tell everyone to share as much as they like and post thier passwords publicly, because they'll clean up the mess everyone makes.

not banning a few numbskulls wouldn't seem like the end-all. at this point, no one has any excuse. so who cares about the conversation, what really makes the game screwed isn't the decisions of our two administrators, it's the decisions of our hundreds of players.

[Consumed]

i would be glad to check logs if it was possible... but as u said logs are on your server and no1 else has access :/...

Edited by Consumed, 20 February 2005 - 11:09 PM.

[Perfection]

Zephie, on Feb 20 2005, 04:30 PM, said:

I think the biggest problem with staff right now is that none of us really play the game anymore. I still have somewhat of an idea of what's going on in the nightmist community. I believe there are some players (Ed, Bill) who are just malicious and only want to cause harm to the rest of the player base. I have no idea why they are still around and don't agree with Pandilex's reasons to keep them around. I just finished having a long conversation with Simon about this and I would post it here, but I don't have his consent.


I guess I just want to say to everyone who thinks staff don't care or don't want to help. I do care, I do want to help and I know some other staff members feel the same way, there are just some things beyond our power that we cannot change.

consider some new staff members ? (maybe people that arn't known or accociated with game creators and current staff)

Edited by Perfection, 20 February 2005 - 11:13 PM.

[Crane]

Consumed, on Feb 20 2005, 10:44 PM, said:

i would be glad to check logs if it was possible... but as u said logs are on your server and no1 else has access :/...

The logs are several gigabytes in size, I'm sure. It would be impractical to send them over an Internet link.

How do you define "known and associated" to other staff? Wes (Oracle) is real-life friends with JLH and he is one of the best staff members in Nightmist, in my opinion, while others from overseas know the staff over the Internet (at least I think so) and developed a friendship that way.

[Consumed]

Crane, on Feb 20 2005, 05:20 PM, said:

Consumed, on Feb 20 2005, 10:44 PM, said:

i would be glad to check logs if it was possible... but as u said logs are on your server and no1 else has access :/...

The logs are several gigabytes in size, I'm sure. It would be impractical to send them over an Internet link.

How do you define "known and associated" to other staff? Wes (Oracle) is real-life friends with JLH and he is one of the best staff members in Nightmist, in my opinion, while others from overseas know the staff over the Internet (at least I think so) and developed a friendship that way.

/nod...thus it would be nearly impossible for me to do it... like i said...if it was i would be glad to...

maybe people stole from can pay postage and jlh can send discs lol (jk)

[Perfection]

Crane, on Feb 20 2005, 11:20 PM, said:

Consumed, on Feb 20 2005, 10:44 PM, said:

i would be glad to check logs if it was possible... but as u said logs are on your server and no1 else has access :/...

The logs are several gigabytes in size, I'm sure. It would be impractical to send them over an Internet link.

How do you define "known and associated" to other staff? Wes (Oracle) is real-life friends with JLH and he is one of the best staff members in Nightmist, in my opinion, while others from overseas know the staff over the Internet (at least I think so) and developed a friendship that way.

point was more that staff don't play much or are online much^^

[ice_cold]

How is this still a topic? I just read like the first page, and its absurd. I quit, yayayay and came back here because im cool you know. no seriously though, i left because bill/ed/all thieves ruined the game. the games no longer fun when everyone you use to play with, people you respect along with others, have all been stolen from. a game ive played longer then almost all of you, i have to quit because a couple brats werent disiplined when they were younger and do whatever they want in life, no matter who they hurt and how. You people REALLY need to grow up, all of you. first off, why would you trust a bunch of teens with your password? youre all to blame in this as well. if you didnt give out your password, if you didnt share, if you didnt open links you dont know are sound, if you download programs without knowing what it is and knowing its authenticity, it has now become your fault. it takes 2 people when it comes to theft, the victim and the thief. if you all would stop trusting everyone on the internet and realise you DONT know these people, you DONT know how or what the truly feel about you, maybe youll all stop coming to the forums and crying about theft. staff shouldnt be handling these problems, its not thier fault all your stuff was stolen. and why bring it to the forums in the first place? everyone and thier mom has posted about theft in this game. what ed di bill tevlok so on so o all did was wrong, morals arent exactly the same for everyone, if someones friends with them, dont trust them. if you completely distance yourself from the thieves, maybe you wont have these problems.

<3
Danny

[combusta]

i say giving ppl 2nd chances is a good thing....bt i mean lets at least look at wht they do....and for the situation he trusted som1 wit pass...dont matter who

all i say is problem with helping is evry1 else who got jacked will want 2 b help

a while ago when all of us didnt share i gave pass 2 dan so he could train a low lvl and he gave pass 2 david...i pissed david off and he jacekd somthing from me...no1 helped..nt like i care was a long time ago and i didnt hold a grudge next time i saw him we were cool again....this is different cuz ppl jacked others they dont know IRL

in any case this hole ordeal can go both ways....bt still it all comes down 2 staff wont help so lets all stop crying

[Redheart]

It is obvious to everyone........new gamers as well as regular gamers
NM needs more Staff present and involved in the game on a daily basis, during all hours. There is no mediation or monitoring by staff most of the time.
Why can't there be someone regularly available to at least oversee things?

and in the real world "permanent ban" means forever as in endless as in infinite!!

Jlh needs to find some people to be NM guides, hosts, whatever you want to call them.......Delegate JLH it works !!

[Khemere]

Personally what proof does the police have that mary didnt steal it all, and joe wanted to pretend he was a cool oceans 11 thief and rang up steve for a joke?
or some totally unrelated person managed to force the window open and steal the TV?
And who in Nightmist has a cat that needs feeding? If you go away, Stay away. If you come back, crit restore works a charm.

Accounts need to get bound to an IP, Email address, AND Mac address.
Therefor if you plan on buying a new computer, Tell JLH.

If you fubar up your hard drive, make a new account. Im sure JLH Wouldnt mind emailing the email address + Checking the mac address.

Dont share, and you wont get stolen from. If you do share, you put your account at risk. YOU put your account at risk. Its your own fault lol. And if you share with a "Known Thief" then your just F**king stupid.

Also JLH doesnt really "Have" to do anything about anything. If he wanted to he could decide to delete the top 50 valuable account and be like "So what?"

Or he could decide to delete everything and say "New start, Now work for your items and characters".

Posting on the boards about theft due to your pc becoming key logged or giving out your password are STUPID. Yes you feel wronged, but maybe you should just feel stupid for letting it happen.

Say bill comes on msn, And sends you a file called "Keylogger.exe" You accept it, and the next day your account is gone. then you go "OMG JLH BILL STOLE MY STUFF". Seriously now, its just plain stupid.

This isnt actually me siding with staff, as i really dislike a couple of them, but lets be honest, If your password for msn is "123456" or your account pass is 1234567890 or you give out your password, Or dont protect your computers security, You really are plain stupid.

I mean, if you got keylogged, I think someone might like those juicy credit card details aswell as your nightmist account lol.

make a random, ten digit password, 5 letters, 5 numbers, change it every 1 or 2 months, dont use same pass for msn and nightmist, write it down and stick it on the top of your monitor.

ke73nd2h20pw <---if someone guesses a pass like that,in a shorter time span to what it would take to actually earn the items in game, they deserve to have your account lol.

ps. That isnt my password. And sorry for the long post.

- Khemere

[Thunderja]

Momba, on Feb 20 2005, 10:40 PM, said:

Trevayne, on Feb 20 2005, 10:30 PM, said:

JLH -

We do want you to enforce "permanent" bans.  Why take the hours that you already spent long ago in sorting through logs and conversations that resulted in these bans and throw that time away?  Why would you now allow them to be lifted?

Cause Pandilex told him to unban them. JLH is no more then Pandilex's puppet. He does what he says. That has been proven time and time again.

All these comments about who is banned and who should be banned should be directed towards Simon. But as many who post already know he is part of the problem. He is the one who overturned Ed/Bills ban.

So we can all sit here ranting and raving over how we think the game should be, but in all reality the game is the way Simon wants it to be. He is the brains behind the project. He believes that in order to have a balanced world/game you need both good and bad. So get on the side of the fence you choose to rep and play the dang game.

I choose to be a thief to those outside my circle. Anyone who is not inside this circle who gives me information about thier accounts will get jacked. Those who trust those inside my circle, but are not inside my circle will get jacked. Hence the reason Ed is 2 Baron's Bracelets short.

Forget your morals and values when you log on NM. NM is the darkside of gaming. It is where thieves spawn hourly and are left to florish in this environment.

Jim that is utter bullnuts... what happened to the old Jim who used to try to expose thieves in posts? Act your age not your turnip size.

[Momba]

Thunderja, on Feb 21 2005, 09:39 AM, said:

Momba, on Feb 20 2005, 10:40 PM, said:

Trevayne, on Feb 20 2005, 10:30 PM, said:

JLH -

We do want you to enforce "permanent" bans.  Why take the hours that you already spent long ago in sorting through logs and conversations that resulted in these bans and throw that time away?  Why would you now allow them to be lifted?

Cause Pandilex told him to unban them. JLH is no more then Pandilex's puppet. He does what he says. That has been proven time and time again.

All these comments about who is banned and who should be banned should be directed towards Simon. But as many who post already know he is part of the problem. He is the one who overturned Ed/Bills ban.

So we can all sit here ranting and raving over how we think the game should be, but in all reality the game is the way Simon wants it to be. He is the brains behind the project. He believes that in order to have a balanced world/game you need both good and bad. So get on the side of the fence you choose to rep and play the dang game.

I choose to be a thief to those outside my circle. Anyone who is not inside this circle who gives me information about thier accounts will get jacked. Those who trust those inside my circle, but are not inside my circle will get jacked. Hence the reason Ed is 2 Baron's Bracelets short.

Forget your morals and values when you log on NM. NM is the darkside of gaming. It is where thieves spawn hourly and are left to florish in this environment.

Jim that is utter bullnuts... what happened to the old Jim who used to try to expose thieves in posts? Act your age not your turnip size.

The old Jim left shortly after the thieves began to use the forums as a place to brag about thier theft, after many of my friends left after pleading with JLH and Simon to correct the problem, after players previously banned for theft were able to return with everything they had stolen to begin with.

NM has evolved. It has evolved into a land of thieves. NM was once a place where you would log on the forums to see someone had create a post bragging they had arched a crit. Oddly enough the response was one where others players would give props for a job well done. You could get a drop as simple as a crystal ring and at the sgh players would give you grats for fending off the pkers and sticking to your guns to earn the reward.

Now NM is full of pacis, punks and thieves who want nothing more then to belittle players for such accomplishments. If you arch a crit now God forbid it doesn`t have the highest hps ingame or you will get smoked for evening bringing it up in conversation. Oh and don't tell anyone you got a crystal ring drop at the sgh. Our NM thieves will brag that in a single account jacking they got 15-20 and didn`t have to leave the sgh risking anything to do it.

I play NM because I am able to adjust. I still find the game enjoyable because of the few friends who have stuck it out. I still find many areas challenging and fun. I will jack an account in a minute if you give me information to that account. And like Robin Hood I will give it all away. Because unlike most players I could care less about rare items, gold, or exspensive crits. It's all about the friends to me.

If you don't like what I have become email JLH or Simon. Tell them I have slipped to the darkside. Don't exspect a response tho. We haven`t gotten one...

[Pandilex]

No-one ever e-mails lol.

[Momba]

Pandilex, on Feb 21 2005, 11:37 AM, said:

No-one ever e-mails lol.

Sorry gonna keep this on topic. No more posts for me...lol

Simon that should read, "No-one ever e-mails YOU"

Edited by Momba, 21 February 2005 - 11:47 AM.

[Kalypso]

Khemere, on Feb 21 2005, 03:57 AM, said:

Personally what proof does the police have that mary didnt steal it all, and joe wanted to pretend he was a cool oceans 11 thief and rang up steve for a joke?
or some totally unrelated person managed to force the window open and steal the TV?
And who in Nightmist has a cat that needs feeding? If you go away, Stay away. If you come back, crit restore works a charm.

Accounts need to get bound to an IP, Email address, AND Mac address.
Therefor if you plan on buying a new computer, Tell JLH.

If you fubar up your hard drive, make a new account. Im sure JLH Wouldnt mind emailing the email address + Checking the mac address.

Dont share, and you wont get stolen from. If you do share, you put your account at risk. YOU put your account at risk. Its your own fault lol. And if you share with a "Known Thief" then your just F**king stupid.

Also JLH doesnt really "Have" to do anything about anything. If he wanted to he could decide to delete the top 50 valuable account and be like "So what?"

Or he could decide to delete everything and say "New start, Now work for your items and characters".

Posting on the boards about theft due to your pc becoming key logged or giving out your password are STUPID. Yes you feel wronged, but maybe you should just feel stupid for letting it happen.

Say bill comes on msn, And sends you a file called "Keylogger.exe" You accept it, and the next day your account is gone. then you go "OMG JLH BILL STOLE MY STUFF". Seriously now, its just plain stupid.

This isnt actually me siding with staff, as i really dislike a couple of them, but lets be honest, If your password for msn is "123456" or your account pass is 1234567890 or you give out your password, Or dont protect your computers security, You really are plain stupid.

I mean, if you got keylogged, I think someone might like those juicy credit card details aswell as your nightmist account lol.

make a random, ten digit password, 5 letters, 5 numbers, change it every 1 or 2 months, dont use same pass for msn and nightmist, write it down and stick it on the top of your monitor.

ke73nd2h20pw <---if someone guesses a pass like that,in a shorter time span to what it would take to actually earn the items in game, they deserve to have your account lol.

ps. That isnt my password. And sorry for the long post.

- Khemere

Best post EVER.

[Epic]

Khemere, on Feb 21 2005, 08:57 AM, said:

Im sure JLH Wouldnt mind emailing the email address + Checking the mac address.

I'm sure your wrong

[Khemere]

Ok sending one email and looking up ONE record. Kinda less time consuming than sorting out theft issue's and replying to these bullnuts posts

- Khemere

[Khemere]

ps. That wasnt a flame, just a general point :-P

[Stigmata]

Sorry to be the one to point this out to everyone but without stupidity there would be no theft. Sounds harsh but somewhere down the line someone was foolish enough to sign their own fate regarding their account. Whether that be sharing with someone, having a stupid password recovery question on an email account, or whatever.

JLH and Pandilex are not going to spend hours trying to fix a problem for someone that is most likely the instant result of them being foolish.

I know there are exceptions to this.

I'd personally try and develop something to prevent account theft. I have an idea for something fool proof, that I told JLH about, which would allow safe sharing for more than 2 players. But he probably forgot about it, so i'm going to save it for another game

[Khemere]

lol stig, if you check my post i used the word stupid 6 times!

- Khemere

[Limit]

Then why waste your time trying to fix or find the answers to the problems.

Solution to theft issues. Ban the thieves and leave the person who was stolen from nothing. Leave their account locked. Then people learn not to give their passes out and the thieves learn not to steal. killing 2 birds with 1 stone. Ive learned my lesson.

[jurian]

just perm ban ed/bill/tevlok again and everybody will be satisfied.

edit: and do what limit sais

Edited by jurian, 21 February 2005 - 04:00 PM.

[»¤~§ûߣîMîñ⣠Âû±hô®î±¥~¤«]

JLH-Its JLH irl friend and tbh i would not go along with every thing my friend said. How ever i would not ruin my friend ship over a game either. Obviously JLH has his own reasons for how he does things and why. Possibly he would rather just keep these things to himself and thats fine. How ever JLH Its also your duty to the people to stand up when you know some thing is wrong and correct it. Also i have heard you say many times over that sharing and stealing are diffrent and there for have diffrent punishment if any. Stealing: 1 a : the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property. Embezzlement: to destroy : to appropriate (as property entrusted to one's care) fraudulently to one's own use. So in that case isn't some one taking ones items through sharing infact stealing by deffinition and there for a punishable offence?

Pandi-Again he has his own reasons and thinking. Yet allowing people back to the game that have been proven to have been theifs befor, and now that they have returned are back at it again with other people to help them.

Summary: Stealing is Stealing. If it be by breaking trust and stealing your acc partners crits, or just plain strait up stealing it should be delt with the same way. With a perm bann that is perm and nothing less.

Players:These days does anyone really care what happens? Sure a little forum post comes up a few words are said back and forth and then its left in the dust never again to be brought up. People say its pointless to fight back and demand these people get banned because it won't happen. Yet is it really ever pointless to fight for a good cause? Why not stick it out stand up and say over and over again this is wrong and needs to be delt with. Tbh half the reason staff don't do anything is because why should they when it seems as if the player base don't care? Why should jlh take the time to figure out who did what if it will all just get thrown right back in his face. Why should pandi care what you think or even infact read what you have to say when half the time its about how your better... than some one else or any stupid thing. Start actling like human beings and commit to a cause... a cuase long over due. Some thing needs to be done about this and if we all stand up together and show them that we care and want it change for real then it will happen. Think about it... sure this will take loyalty, time, work, and cooperation. But think of the out come it will bring dignity, pride, trust, and maybe even some of them old players back that left because they played so long and it just unbearable to see some thing they once charrished turned into a hell hole.

[Raylen]

Fine words. However, it is a generally acknowledged fact that actions speak louder than words.

This is you only the other day trying to get people to bid higher on an item your friend(?) was selling by posting fake bids. I would not think to talk about such things as "dignity, pride, and trust" when you yourself run these three into the ground by your deeds.

Of course, if i am wrong about you, you have my full apology

[»¤~§ûߣîMîñ⣠Âû±hô®î±¥~¤«]

What does trying to boost the price of an item have to do with anything? It is imo completely moral and fine... its not stealing? there is no rule against it, and its off topic, stick to the point plz .

[JLH]

the entire "stealing" arguement i can defend my actions completely by just saying this:

IF YOU GIVE SOMEONE YOUR PASSWORD, YOU ARE GIVING THEM YOUR ACCOUNT

[Raylen]

»¤~§ûߣîMîñ⣠Âû±hô®î±¥~¤«, on Feb 21 2005, 05:51 PM, said:

What does trying to boost the price of an item have to do with anything? It is imo completely moral and fine... its not stealing? there is no rule against it, and its off topic, stick to the point plz .

And there is no rule against removing crits from an account once you have the password...and as for moral...