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everybody just stop no ones convincing anybody and we are all just getting mad
just stick to your own buisness and brush everything off
Posted 29 August 2004 - 06:59 PM
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 09:43 PM
Alright: This is pathetic.Gay marriages: It doesn't concern you at all when two people of the same sex get married, it doesn't hurt you, it won't affect YOUR life in any way shape or form. How can you base OTHER people's life on YOUR religion? Those people have rights, the same as yours, and if they truly love each other I see no reason why they can't get married. It won't happen in your church, it will happen in a courthouse. I never thought of you as a bigot Sharon, don't prove me wrong.
Abortions: No woman in her right mind will look at an abortion as a form of birth control. Once again, it doesn't affect YOU personally. You do not know about the situation the woman is in, how she got pregnant, what risks the pregnancy can cause. If YOU choose for YOURSELF not to have abortions, that is fine, but don't try to force your beliefs upon others.
Afireinside, I mentioned only you because you are the only person here that (to my knowledge) is gay.
I do believe that if a woman is married and is pregnant from her husband he should have a say in it, however: If a pregnancy causes serious health risks for a woman, I believe she should have the right to have the pregnancy terminated. Who says that a fetus's life is more precious than that of the woman carrying it? Shouldn't she be allowed to stop risk to her life?
I also believe that a rape victim should be allowed to have an abortion. As discussed before, it is NOT considered life until after the first trimester. Unless you have been in that particular situation, do not judge others. I have been, and I can tell you, I would have rather taken my own life than to carry out the child of the person who put me through the most miserable time ever.
Oh, and doesn't the bible say that those without faults should throw the first stone? Do not jude others lest you want to be judged. Do not bring your religion into this, none of us except Mec do. Freedom of religion is a wonderful thing, and I belive in that. And that includes laws etc not being based on religon.
The first thing I'd like to point out is that you are pro-abortion and saying this. How can one who aborts base a child's life on THEIR COMFORT???How can you base OTHER people's life on YOUR religion?
Posted 30 August 2004 - 09:59 PM
Posted 30 August 2004 - 10:28 PM
I haven't tried to shove any of my beliefs down anybody's throat!Lich, thank you. the problem with me leaving religion out is that its the reason have the opinion i do. if i didnt have my religious beliefs then my views would probibly have a very diferent idea on how things are. i understand all of your views on not trying to convince based on religion. everyone has the right to have thier own religious beliefs.
MEC
as a person with some of the same religious beliefs as you i give you a cheer for posting your views and spreading the word
BUT
you should know that you trying to shove your beliefs down other peoples throtes and being a close minded "Bible Thumper" is not the way to debate a topic. i understand you feeling so strongly on the topic. but you have to understand that this thread is to discuss each others opinions and thoughts i didnt see anywhere where it said "I WILL MAKE YOU THINK MY WAY AND THAT IS ALL" you are so busy trying to change everyones beliefs and condem them for their beliefs that you have basically put yourself in a "im useless in debait" catigory. this is a discussion not a ill change you mind if i keep repeating and your wrong for not seeing things my way. you believe what you believe and they believe what they believe thats the way the world works dear. lay off.
Posted 30 August 2004 - 10:41 PM
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Posted 31 August 2004 - 12:30 AM
you have no idea of how "bad" your life isAfireinside: IF you think rationalization is a big word you should go back to elementary school. I'm not going to listen to you because you refuse to take responsibility for your actions. And so what if I haven't gone through puberty. This is kind of like picking on people who are smaller than you. You don't have to deal with kids because you can use their age against them, you don't have to deal with unborn babies because you can kill them. One thing I know is that I sure as life can't help being twelve (almost thirteen, by the way). So, since you're going to use my age against me, you see, just as my age can change, so can your lifestyle.
Posted 31 August 2004 - 12:46 AM
Squee: You can't help being vietnamese, but one can help being gay.
Posted 31 August 2004 - 05:33 AM
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Posted 31 August 2004 - 10:29 PM
Well said; fully agree;MEC
we all have reasons why we believe what we belive you say your a Christian as am I. but i remember one thing IT IS NOT OUR PLACE TO JUDGE ANYONE. and by you repeditly telling the people who post on this thread that they are wrong you are judging them. if you feel you must do something then do what we have been told. LET GO AND LET GOD you have told your side, if they choose to think on it and POSSIBLY contemplate a change in mind then they will do so but if they do not you will not change their mind by repeditly condeming them. you have made your point this is not discussion anymore its and arguement in wich you are repeating the same thing over and over again. either change your approch to a conversation and stop condeming people, or shut up. i have one question for you, WHO MADE YOU GOD TO JUDGE AND CONDEM??
some of these people are very good friends of mine, you see me call them brother and sister and i do not take that lightly, so even if you dont understand about love i do and i love these people i dont care what their beliefs are or what their political background is i love them. no questions asked. i would do anything for them and they for me. there are some Christian friends i couldnt say that much about.
Posted 01 September 2004 - 12:57 AM
Posted 01 September 2004 - 02:25 AM
CONDEM
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:26 PM
ok i had decided to shut up and just let him spout off sice he is to stupid to shut up. So I have decided i will take a diferent route with this.
OK mec lets say that being gay is a choice a few seconds shall we.
Regardless of how one defines the origins of one's own sexuality, it remains true that one has a choice about whether or not to act on that sexuality. While most lesbians and gays disagree with the Religious Right's characterization of homosexuality as a "lifestyle," they tend to agree that there is a subculture associated with lesbians and gays, which includes involvement with such things as gay publications, gay political activism, gay shops and merchandise, gay clubs and events, and so on. But this subculture is huge and diverse, and it intersects with a number of other subcultures which do not have anything to do with sexuality, such as the politically active or the new age spiritualists or the conservative traditionalists. In fact, within the lesbian and gay subculture you might find a number of different lifestyles, but these are typically based on activities and beliefs that a group has in common, and the only thing "queer" people have in common with each other on the whole is the fact of being "queer", of loving members of the same sex rather than the opposite sex. This makes the concept of the homosexual lifestyle sound almost as ridiculous as the heterosexual lifestyle, as though one's sexual identity alone were sufficient to shape one's way of life.
Nevertheless, lesbian and gay people do make a choice about whether or not to identify with and participate in the gay subculture, but this is a choice that the Religious Right believes should not be protected under law, because they have defined it as an immoral choice. The radical "queer" critique of this position is quick to point out, however, that religion is also a choice, and there is undeniably a religious, or specifically Christian, subculture in this country which many choose to participate in. Under the present laws, those who make such a choice are protected against discrimination, so that those who participate in the Christian subculture cannot be denied housing or employment on that basis, while those who participate in the gay subculture can be. The Right, of course, argues that this discrepancy is based on the inherent worth of these two subcultures, claiming that homosexuality harms individuals, families, and society, but the radical critique counters this claim by pointing out that the potential for harm exists within all subcultures, and that the Christian subculture is certainly guilty of its share of psychological abuse and cultural suffocation.
The argument for biology as the source for homosexuality also suffers from a rather obvious but potentially catastrophic consequence: if scientists are ever able to locate a "gay gene," we can be sure that the Religious Right will use such evidence to promote the wholesale abortion of fetuses carrying this gene, even though this will mean a dramatic reversal of the Right's position on abortion. Already there is massive disagreement in the scientific community over whether it would ever be possible to "map" homosexuality as a genetic trait, with those who recognize the marketable potential of such knowledge crying the most loudly for its discovery. And again, focusing our energies and attention towards such an unlikely possibility only continues to remove us from the real issue of sexual freedom, which is the goal of radical queer theory regardless of whether or not individual homosexuals feel they had a choice in the matter.
But in any case The fact still remains that under the laws of the united states wether choice or Biology, gays and lesbians are entitled to the same protection as are the christians. Like it or not.
Free your mind you will go farther.
Argue that one .. Someone who is not tired please check that and tell me if i have way to many mistakes to understand the letters are jumping.
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