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[Pandilex]

I'm fairly sure you should all know about this:

It is against the policy of the game to sell or buy items for anything outside of the game. This means real money, or other things such as items from other games.

I always catch people who do it. So today marks the permenant banning of Matt, otherwise known as Halor.

If you try to trade outside the game, you will share the same fate.

[Stigmata]

Shame about the circumstances of your demise, but personally i'll remember you for who you were as a player and a staff member, as you were always keen to do whatever you could to help improve the game.

[Vodka]

Omigosh, Mattchu... whyyy! I'm pretty sure he knew the consequences. :/ I just find it rather odd.. that Matt has gotten perm banned, I guess.

[alone]

So, Pandilex. You hardly did much work to find out- You sent someone to see who they could trick.

Edited by alone, 12 October 2004 - 09:45 PM.

[Matt]

Just so everyone knows exactly what happened, I was trying to sell my Revelation gear for nightmist gold, ED aka Granthium OFFERED me 4mil gold, I could not refuse such a high offer.

I now find out that was a Setup on Simon and Ed's part. Good job

Granthium: I always catch people who do it. So today marks the permenant banning of Matt, otherwise known as Halor.

Right, He OFFERED to trade me in the first place, this is simply entrapment. He should also be ban.

[Lady_Maha]

Matt, get me on MSN (felidae73@hotmail.com) or AIM (Tanja Hilton).

As for banning, I totally agree that the person offering should get as much of a ban, staged or not.

[Stigmata]

I've just heard ed's version, and what I make of it, is as follows.

Ed says he never had any intentions of buying the crit. Therefore reported it to pandilex and should not be banned himself.

Entrapment would be the case if they went looking for you, but considering you paged Ed first it can't be classed as that.

All I can offer on the situation is some addition to the TOS (as matt tells me he looked and couldn't find anything) to clear up the rules. I havn't looked myself but from what I remember it was simply made common knowledge that players who traded would get banned - I'm pretty sure it was posted on the old forum though, which obviously you may have missed.

[Thrice]

Thats a load of rubbish, Matt doesn't deserve to be banned for that, well maybe he does, but so does the other guy too.

[Lich]

So what I am understand is one rule for pandilex and friends and one rule for everyone else. Don't worry matt when its pandilex perm ban means untill he decides to let you off, It's never perm.

[Stigmata]

Guys calm down, we don't know the full story.

[Amy]

Matt, I will really miss you. You were a great player and an awesome friend. I don't agree with entrapment, but I do think that the rules should be held to. Was the punishment a bit too harsh? Yes. The thing is, with all the crud that goes on in game.. we need to think about perhaps what is punishable by what.

What you did (entrapped or not was wrong hun).. was absolutely no worse nor should it be more punishable then another player stealing or cheating. Personally I think that is more of an issue.

The thing is, we all know or should know the rules.. we play the game it is our responsibility to be aware of what should or should not take place. And when a rule is broken, we have to realize that there are consequences.

I really wish you weren't banned.. and yet, being staff in the past, you knew the rules hun.

((Please Keep in touch Matt.. fateisstrange@hotmail.com))

Edited by Amy, 12 October 2004 - 10:02 PM.

[All_Evil]

I've just heard ed's version, and what I make of it, is as follows.

Ed says he never had any intentions of buying the crit. Therefore reported it to pandilex and should not be banned himself.

Entrapment would be the case if they went looking for you, but considering you paged Ed first it can't be classed as that.

All I can offer on the situation is some addition to the TOS (as matt tells me he looked and couldn't find anything) to clear up the rules. I havn't looked myself but from what I remember it was simply made common knowledge that players who traded would get banned - I'm pretty sure it was posted on the old forum though, which obviously you may have missed.

http://www.nightmist...?showtopic=1078

[Matt]

It's no bigge, I apparently did something against the rules, and got ban. It will get me to go get a job.

Although, not too long ago I traded Rev gear for nightmist stuff successfully with JLH's permission, I got permission once, I assume it would not be a big deal this time. I did not even play Rev anymore so what the heck.

Anyway, if i'm not ban on the forums, i'll still be around in some form.

If I am, contact me on AIM Abnormaly420 or MSN at nightmistfan@yahoo.com (lol..)

[Stigmata]

I think the reason the punishment is so harsh is to absolutely guarantee that there are no exceptions when dealing with the issue of other games.

If the punishment was not so harsh (like a week ban) then some players probably wouldn't mind trying to pull off a trade without getting noticed.

The whole reason I see this being a necessary subject to punish for is to stop players who have not worked for anything getting a ton of level 30's and items for simply being good on a totally un-related game. There is no question that this should definately be moderated.

I do feel alot of sympathy for matt though as he'd worked hard and acheived pretty much everything on this game already - one of the reasons he probably decided to go play Rev. It's a shame that exceptions cannot be made in these cases, but doing so would only complicate the matter further.

[Lich]

I think the reason the punishment is so harsh is to absolutely guarantee that there are no exceptions when dealing with the issue of other games.

If the punishment was not so harsh (like a week ban) then some players probably wouldn't mind trying to pull off a trade without getting noticed.

The whole reason I see this being a necessary subject to punish for is to stop players who have not worked for anything getting a ton of level 30's and items for simply being good on a totally un-related game. There is no question that this should definately be moderated.

I do feel alot of sympathy for matt though as he'd worked hard and acheived pretty much everything on this game already - one of the reasons he probably decided to go play Rev. It's a shame that exceptions cannot be made in these cases, but doing so would only complicate the matter further.

So thieves are allowed back and allowed to have crits that they, paid for with that theft. Yea this is fair. what did one person say one rule for the cat and one rule for the mice, excelent decion as always huh.

[Lady_Maha]

What really is a shame is that Matt had every intention to sell his stuff from the other game inside the other game and then was approached by who he thought to be Ed (who knows if it really was) and was offered NM stuff for it.

This sort of setup is messed up. Ed (if it indeed was Ed?) could have offered rev stuff like all the other offers, but instead chose to set Matt up in coordinance with Pandilex.

Sounds to me like weeding out unwanted players, nothing more.

Edited by Lady_Maha, 12 October 2004 - 10:21 PM.

[Stigmata]

Lich, I have no idea about that - I heard people talk about it etc, but never got caught up on it to be honest so I can't really comment.

Maha, i'm unsure of the whole details here too lol. I've been told different things to what alot of others are saying.

Maybe pandilex can clear this up for us.

[Drac]

who cares? this game sucks anyway. Go play another game.. your only regret should be that you wasted so much time on such a game as this. This game, created by a couple dorks in their basement- has absolutely NO company backing and therefore no warranty.. meaning.. it can be here today and gone tomorrow on Pandilex's whim. Dont get me wrong, this game is a good game with lots of great minds behind it.. but this is VERY corrupt game. Pandilex could do anything he wants to anyones stuff for a simple reason that he just doesnt like you lol.. thats why playing this game is a waste of time.. theres nothing to safeguard justice.. no 'checks and balances' as one would say..

So enjoy your time away, it will be better for you in the end.. consider yourself lucky this happened now and not later~ lol

PS: I havent actually 'played' in over a year. Take care everyone~

[Stigmata]

Why must players that leave the game become offensive and immature in a hope to gain some sort of recognition. Drac that post holds no significant points that will help aid this discussion, so if the game is as bad as you say it is, why are you still here?

Edit : apologies to those that actually leave the game with good intentions, should have said 'some players' in my original statement

Edited by Stigmata, 12 October 2004 - 10:55 PM.

[Thunderja]

He broke a rule everyone knows is perm ban, gw Pandilex, a little harsh but hope you catch more.

Drac I don't care what you think the quality of this game is, as I see it, it has great potential and I will continue playing while I have the spare time. Pandilex is not to blame here it is the guys own fault. I have not spent all these hours/days/months trying to be one of the best just to have people simply steal/break rules and gain what would have taken my a long time to gain in one little transaction!

FEAR THE IRON FIST!

[Pandilex]

In this instance, in full knowledge of the rules, he actively sought a buyer for his stuff. This breaks the rules. There was no coercion involved whatsoever.

Basically, if I catch wind of illegal activity, I will end it in the most effective way, obtaining maximum proof to avoid confusion and stalling later on.

In this instance, it was easier to do this via someone else. I used their AIM account though and specifically warned the person of the consequences.

[Matt]

Little Help:

TERMS OF SERVICE

First Line, says they can ban you for any reason.

The main reason for this TOS  is to point out that Nightmist-online.co.uk has the right to cut off your access to the multiplayer mode of operation of this game for any reason it likes, and no matter how much you whine about it, we don't have to let you play it any more.

Second Line, read it carefully..

Of course, we'd ONLY do that if you turned out to be some sort of idiotic jerk who wasn't interested in playing the game itself but rather just delighted in making the experience unpleasant for everyone else.

Below those two specific lines they go into their definition of an idiotic jerk, mainly naming the reasons they can ban you, but.. no where is there anything about trading.

Btw, You might want to fix that, although a new tos has no impact on this banning.

Edited by Matt, 12 October 2004 - 11:11 PM.

[Gaddy]

So....Bill/Ed had a perm ban, they got through it, and then Pandilex allowed them to come back just waving off their past curruption.
(as I say further down, it is over (their ban), and I am not trying to say they should be re-banned)
Now, Pandilex uses their AIM to ban a ex-staffer that he never liked.



I say something sounds very fishy and we deserve an explanation for all of this finally. There was an uproar when they came back, and though I still don't think they should have their old ban put back on them if it was thrown off, but I think we should be told why it was thrown off.
Otherwise, I don't see how a single member of staff can say we don't have fair reason to complain about staff being bias or corrupt.

[Lich]

He sought a buyer in rev, then Ed hit him up. Simon you know as well as I do. You have no control what he does in another game. He had no intention of selling the Items in NM untill ed hit him up. Therefore it is entrappment, and i believe you are accessory to that entrapment.

this ruling is biased and one day JLH will open his eyes and see exactly what you are doing to the people that one will not be the people who pays him for an account in NM V2.

You want to know what i mean by biased, What was this High price that allows a thief back in this game, Hmmm was it by chance real money because if so you have violated your own rules.

[Lady_Maha]

In this instance, in full knowledge of the rules, he actively sought a buyer for his stuff. This breaks the rules. There was no coercion involved whatsoever.

Basically, if I catch wind of illegal activity, I will end it in the most effective way, obtaining maximum proof to avoid confusion and stalling later on.

In this instance, it was easier to do this via someone else. I used their AIM account though and specifically warned the person of the consequences.

He actively sought a buyer for his stuff ON rev, not on NM... he never even considered buying NM stuff with it until you and Ed thought up your little scheme, get it right this time Simon, instead of twisting the truth. Delete my post for all I care, but it won't change the facts.

Ed figured he could suck up to you some more by offering you to get rid of Matt and you jumped at the chance, using Ed's account for a fake offer you knew darn well barely anyone would refuse.

Sounds like a setup to me...

[Pandilex]

Well, lets put it this way. Keep talking **** about me and I'll delete your forum accounts, and your crit accounts. Unless you are either Me, JLH, Matt, or to some extent, Ed, I don't care for your made up opinions. You have no idea what happened, so shut the hell up.

Whatever you think you know is wrong. I have told you the absolute truth. If someone, regardless of who it is or the circumstances, tries to rip someone off, then they will be punished.

If you don't like these rules, get the hell off my game.

[Lich]

Thats fine Pandi you do that because im getting the same logs as you and Im then going straight to JLH, I am tired of your biased decissions and Im fighting you this time and then if JLH thinks im not right then he can delete my forum account and crits. Good day simon.

[Spill]

"Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the comprehension of the weak; and that it is doing God's service, when it is violating all His own laws."

"Giving power and money to Simon is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."

"The phenomenon of corruption is like the garbage. It has to be removed daily."

[Stigmata]

I feel we should probably let the post die now. In the end we are never going to know the full extent of what happened, and there for we are probably not going to solve anything by keeping this alive. People are always going to give us their views on what happened, and already (as you've noticed) there are already numerous theories circulating.

Like a game of chinese whispers, if left to get out of hand, people may start getting the wrong impression. I know from personal experience that it's not nice and that's why i'm trying to emphasise this to you.

[Crane]

Like it or not, Nightmist is an autocratic society. Us lowly players do not have much of a say in the running of the game; JLH and Pandilex always have the last word. If a permanent ban is their decision, then nothing anyone will say will change that, except if it comes from Pandilex or JLH themselves.