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[Angelic]

I was wondering if Justice Zone could be added in after the look-around. i.e., "Blahblahblah...You can exit to the north." And then under that it could say "Random_Pacifist has Justice Zone cast here." Just so you know there's JZ cast, and which Pacifist is controlling it. Post suggestions and opinions, please. Thanks.

[Squee]

...I don't really agree.

I just like Justice Zone as it is.

[alone]

I can kind of see where this thinking came from, did you walk somewhere and round yourself? We've all made the mistake.

I think it's enough that Pacifists are Green, so I think they should just be left alone now.

[Oracle]

I see where you're coming from. How would you know if it's cast or not when you've just walked in on a square? I support this.

[Nocturnal]

It's fine the way it is, People shouldn't pk if they don't know that if they see an Expert or Above Pacifist sitting on a square out of town, its more than likely that JZ is up.

Quite amusing to see people saying they hate JZ becuase it kills them, but aren't they trying to kill others? It's the whole darn point of Justice Zone! To prevent PKing!

[alone]

Down with Oracle, burn him to the ground!
He's.. Err... Bias!

Stop messing with Pacifists:

(This will be interesting!)

It won't be interesting if it's changed so people know it's there - It'll be lame!

[Angelus]

I support it, i rather have whole JZ taken away tho. It's getting lame seeing people say "CG is there, who brings a paci"...its getting boring. No more fights at bosses cause there's always a paci having JZ up..

But seeing as that will never happen, JZ wasn't added to kill pkers, its to make a square of peace...no point if its gonna drop pkers instead of the pked. People are still dying.

I can kind of see where this thinking came from, did you walk somewhere and round yourself? We've all made the mistake.

I think it's enough that Pacifists are Green, so I think they should just be left alone now.

And i'm pretty sure she said this because multiple paci's cast it at one boss. While 1 would be enough...

[Angelic]

I've never rounded myself on a pacifist or on another character while JZ was up. Warlord had the right idea as to why I posted this. (Just so you know it has nothing to do with me not wanting to die, or whatever)


Edit: Stupid typos.

Edited by Angelic, 25 May 2004 - 04:08 PM.

[Shane]

LoL I see this idea throwing a monkey wrench in the plan that those have of casting invis on a paci with JZ cast. In fact I saw some n00bs doing that last night as the 4way south of Arilin while I was running around on my druid and thieves.

Oh and I am for this idea.

Edited by Shane, 25 May 2004 - 04:12 PM.

[Oasis]

I agree for showing JZ. It isn't our fault that we round ourselves cause we don't know it is up.

[Nocturnal]

It isn't our fault that we round ourselves cause we don't know it is up.

Simple steps to avoid Rounding yourself.

1. Upon entering a square, Look for any Green Colored Characters.

2. Look over all Green Characters.

3. If any Green characters are Expert/Master/ArchMaster Pacifists, Assume Justice Zone is up.

4. If no Pacifists are present, PK away.

Edited by Nocturnal, 25 May 2004 - 05:58 PM.

[Angelus]

It isn't our fault that we round ourselves cause we don't know it is up.

Simple steps to avoid Rounding yourself.

1. Upon entering a square, Look for any Green Colored Characters.

2. Look over all Green Characters.

3. If any Green characters are Expert/Master/ArchMaster Pacifists, Assume Justice Zone is up.

4. If no Pacifists are present, PK away.

Yea, so you don't hit anyone, then someone else comes on and kills you cause JZ wasn't up. I think paci's shouldn't even mess with other people...we can't do anything against the paci so the paci shouldn't be able to do anything against the normal player.

[Rappy_Ninja]

I support it, i rather have whole JZ taken away tho. It's getting lame seeing people say "CG is there, who brings a paci"...its getting boring. No more fights at bosses cause there's always a paci having JZ up..

But seeing as that will never happen, JZ wasn't added to kill pkers, its to make a square of peace...no point if its gonna drop pkers instead of the pked. People are still dying.

I can kind of see where this thinking came from, did you walk somewhere and round yourself? We've all made the mistake.

I think it's enough that Pacifists are Green, so I think they should just be left alone now.

And i'm pretty sure she said this because multiple paci's cast it at one boss. While 1 would be enough...

yeah I almost think it should be taken out or cant be used on boss squares because the game isnt nowhere near as fun when boss squares are always 100% safe and no one is fighting

[Rappy_Ninja]

It isn't our fault that we round ourselves cause we don't know it is up.

Simple steps to avoid Rounding yourself.

1. Upon entering a square, Look for any Green Colored Characters.

2. Look over all Green Characters.

3. If any Green characters are Expert/Master/ArchMaster Pacifists, Assume Justice Zone is up.

4. If no Pacifists are present, PK away.

they are long gone before you even look 1-2 people over I highly doubt you would get to even attack

[Squee]

Justice Zone is really what gives a pacifist character, in my opinion.

If you take away the Pacifist's ability to stop people from fighting (or indirectly punish those that try), the pacifist has no use.

[Angelus]

It's a solo class meant for people who don't wanne experience all the game has to offer. Not a i-can't-play-the-game-so-i-ruin-it-for-others class

[ice_cold]

whine whine whine, is that all you people do? seriously, if you have a problem with rounding yourself, dont pk. im sorry you can kill people anymore at bosses, it may seem less fun to you people who play 12 alts, or run around with big clans, or have 10 arches of each race, but there's more to the game then just killing and boss drops. i could rant on, but i really dont think you guys are worth my time, as ill just be flamed.

~good day~
The Cry Baby

[Gaddy]

....I really don't see where all of you are comming from saying that people are whining about dying from justice zone, it is actually pretty hard to round yourself on a pacifist as far as I've seen.

I personally have never accidently killed myself because of a pacifist......died yes, but not on accident ever.

I still think this idea should be added, you should be able to know that it is casted and who has casted it, if not people sit there with friends at bosses, cast it, and then at a random time have their friend hold stam, cancel it and let you die, then recast before you've got your stam and while they've just used all of theirs on you....

I think it is abuse of pacifists that is annoying, not the actual class. I really like the class, they don't bother me..can't really, but people on them can be very rude and very often abuse the new ability to cancel JZ.

For those of you accusing people of whining about pacis getting to kill people or whatever...quite simply, that is you pking, you can call it pkking or whatever you do, but it isn't always them killing someone who is defenseless or just trying to kill a boss, usually it is someone who is a pker that other people are trying to kill and the person just calls a paci for the time when they want to go out of town (to a boss usually) without being invis or on a few spelled up crits waiting for people.

[Gaddy]

whine whine whine, is that all you people do? seriously, if you have a problem with rounding yourself, dont pk. im sorry you can kill people anymore at bosses, it may seem less fun to you people who play 12 alts, or run around with big clans, or have 10 arches of each race, but there's more to the game then just killing and boss drops. i could rant on, but i really dont think you guys are worth my time, as ill just be flamed.

~good day~
The Cry Baby

I really don't think your assesment is logical at all. People with big clans are the ones who use JZ the most. The large clans call a member who doesn't want to go to the boss or doesn't have the crits or lends theirs to someone else (almost always Jim lent his stuff and pacid the CG and SK for The Resistance) then hop on a paci. Now in some cases, like Jim, the people don't abuse the paci by canceling JZ when it is a good time for their clan to kill the other people and take the boss from people who've been there for a long time, but a lot of the time you get some paci sitting their for his/her friends and the big clan has each person macro 1-2 of your crits (usually just the clerics are key) and drop you, recast JZ...then you're sititng at a boss that had JZ up, but a big clan abused it and made it suck...

It's not me running around on my 10 crits abusing JZ, it's the large clan of 4 people running their 5 that abuse it.

I am in DH, by the rules I can't simply hit a blue person, so don't give me crap and start ranting at me about me being a PKer, I don't have problems with JZ except for when it is abused to make people able to kill you and then dis-allow you to fight back, that is ridiculous.

[Deval]

My paci is only something like 23 or 24, so I've never been at the steering wheel of Justice Zone, but I get the impression that it can now be cancelled by the user, and I think that is remarkably bad form. This acts as nothing other than an aid to people who like to hit under the belt. When justice zone is cast, it should not be cancellable. It's ridiculous to imagine a pacifist screaming, 'NO DON'T KILL EACH OTHER!', and then, 'OK MINDLESS SLAUGHTER NOW!'

When push comes to shove, in all honesty, a pacifist should have no reason to take down Justice Zone. The pacifist opposes violence, and as such, would not tolerate it at any time, in any place. What benefit would a pacifist get from taking down justice zone? How could it aid him? The only way that cancelling of justice zone benefits (if that's indeed an appropriate word) the game is through making PK'ing more efficient.

[lowmion]

Jz is just fine the way it is,

Most pk'rs when they go onto a square dont look crits over or hit return for info about a square,

They just pk.

And as for 'paci' abuse at boss square's just take your own paci along to make sure that your clannies are safe,

Dont rely on the morals of another clan that would normally Pk you, and then whine when they do so, due to a treacherous act, which you'ld normally expect.

As for the 'noobs' invising the paci with JZ up and leaving bait there, wasnt there also vines cast on the same square? and about a dozen covert thieves ?

Thus blockading the only route into windia ?

Sorry for ruining your fun at other's expense, but it had to be done, lol



/t Deval

So you'ld have the paci's moving around with a permant JZ up ?

How boring........

Edited by lowmion, 26 May 2004 - 02:21 AM.

[SuperStar]

i think the whole paci class is the stupiest thing ever made on nightmist...

like a paci is a simple way for a noob to get rich and not die, thats all its really used for, to make gold and not be killed by other players, this game is really only about killing other players, not to let them get rich and be able to buy high lvl crits and not have to train a single gd day in thier whole nightmist career, its abused in so many ways, i might be the only one that thinks this or says ne of this, but hey its my opinion and i could care less how many of yall flame me or my thoughts, but sometimes i sit there and watch the paci's used for boss's, like its stupid and i juss think the class is lame, so for all u that are gonna say this and that bout this, go ahead cuz i dont care, i aint gonna look at this post again, all i wanted to do was say what i thought, i like the person's idea bout the jz thing, but i dont like the class... so good day

and yes i agree wit deval 100%, a paci shouldnt be able to take down jz once it was put up, instead of makin a paci a easier crit for some ppl, maybe there should be more thought involved in the other class's and some things changed wit them, not a paci cuz u cant pk, u cant attack, only heal/create food-water/and cast ur spells for a paci, nothing else, like how complicated is a paci to actually train, not hard at all, but seriously, this class is a waste and something else needs to come about, if not owell... nothing more can be said then

Edited by SuperStar, 26 May 2004 - 02:34 AM.

[Shane]

Why not just take out JZ as a spell and make it an active skill. Like an aura that covers the sqaure and anyone thats on it.

[Bean]

this game is really only about killing other players

You sir, are a retard.

[Vodka]

My paci is only something like 23 or 24, so I've never been at the steering wheel of Justice Zone, but I get the impression that it can now be cancelled by the user, and I think that is remarkably bad form. This acts as nothing other than an aid to people who like to hit under the belt. When justice zone is cast, it should not be cancellable. It's ridiculous to imagine a pacifist screaming, 'NO DON'T KILL EACH OTHER!', and then, 'OK MINDLESS SLAUGHTER NOW!'

When push comes to shove, in all honesty, a pacifist should have no reason to take down Justice Zone. The pacifist opposes violence, and as such, would not tolerate it at any time, in any place. What benefit would a pacifist get from taking down justice zone? How could it aid him? The only way that cancelling of justice zone benefits (if that's indeed an appropriate word) the game is through making PK'ing more efficient.

I agree with everything you said... coming from the greatness himself.

[Zatra]

if you look around it should say Blah_Blah has justice zone cast here. but not just as you walk into the square and the pacifist could be made invisible by mages (not sure if they can do that... never tried really) so no one knew it was there and wouldnt know if it could be up or not

[SuperStar]

this game is really only about killing other players

You sir, are a retard.

*sigh* and whats that make u, a rocket scientist?

who u ingame?

[Bean]

You will acctually gasp at this.

I am no one ingame! Now what are you going to do? Who are you going to take your childish feelings of needful revenge out on? Oh man I fooled you big time...

Like I said to your statement about the game being all about pking. 'You sir, are a retard'

[lowmion]

Obviously not many of you use your Paci's in the same fashion as me, I spend hours helping out clannies and others lvling their low lvl's.

The pk parties obviously come past from time to time and some times round them selves, but are mostly only annoyed when i REFUSE to drop Jz, so that they can Pk the low lvls on the square.

They also get annoyed when i cast Gp on the same low lvl's. so that they can lvl up with out having to fear the 20 or so Pk'rs that are covert and eagerly waiting 1 square away.

Does this mean you want Gp and Lp removed as well?

Sheez, get a life and go challenge some ppl's that can fight on equal term's , ie Supreme, or Quark, Condemned, Export, etc,

Oh sorry i forgot, you only want to win not lose, so you won't challenge such ppl's in an experience loss area,

[Nocturnal]

Oh sorry i forgot, you only want to win not lose, so you won't challenge such ppl's in an experience loss area,

Well said, most people use Pacifists to give others a chance of actually training without the threat of 10 or more Arch Berserkers appearing on the square and clicking them like no tomorrow.

If people don't like the fact that a square has Justice Zone cast on it, there is a startling new technique to get around it....

....GO TO ANOTHER SQUARE!

Not like there isn't thousands of different places to pk.