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[Omnipotence]

1.Please describe the challenges you face when trying to level a character?



2.Please describe the challenges you face when trying to kill a character?

[Throwback]

1) I can't level because I don't have NM installed on my computer
2) I have tried to pk people in real life numerous times to no avail , and usually it's because they tell me they will log on their alts and pk me back so I don't bother

[Crane]

What drove me away from 1-alt is that it is impossible to just do your own thing on the game. With kill-to-pass monsters at most gatehouses and them being watched usually by invisible Mages, taking you out when you find yourself stuck or even catching you as you run past if you are unfortunate enough to be macro'd, it just takes away the fun from it all; I feel like Ellen Ripley versus Weyland-Yutani sometimes.

As for killing players, though I don't PK myself, the fact that 1-alt is so heavily biased towards the stealth classes now means that victims using low-level crits or non-stealth classes don't stand much of a chance, and using one yourself means you can't easily find victims because they are using stealth classes too.

[Autek]

1) Rediculous prices to level characters past level 35.

2) Never pk'd, just clicked pictures when a party attacked ours. I guess the biggest challenge was them having more hp than damage I did lol . . .

EDIT: Kind of going off what Crane mentioned. . . The KTP's at the entrances to town are just rediculous. . . They might have prevented people from gate training in the early days of the server, but I'd like to see someone try gate training these days. No chance. It really just screws classes that can't camo/vis/vert. Go figure the only classes that are regularly played are the classes that can move unseen.

Edited by Autek, 27 April 2009 - 05:43 PM.

[Dublin]

Autek and Crane pretty much hit it on the head. And I would also like to agree with Auteks comment on gate training on how it would pretty much be impossible even without ktp.

[Masta]

1] It isn't much of a problem. Gaining XP is longwinded and sometimes riddled with pks, but if you constantly spend the cash on upgrading your character with the extra 3/4ac possible at every chance, you tend not to get insta-clicked. NS Elixirs however make this redundant; Luckily I am not targeted frequently.

2] I cannot pk at all, I do 50-100 per round of 7stamina, dependent on their armour (Which is 99% of the time lower than mine), they do 300damage minimum with 5-7stamina

[Achilles]

1. When trying to level a cleric you have to wait till literally nobody is on, or get curio keys and go to tomb, otherwise you get pkd within 2minutes of logging on your cleric.

1. When training a mage its basically the same thing. You can't travel to far away from pub and can get pkd pretty easily. Poossibly why there isnt any? lol

1. Thieves, if your not in pandemonium its nearly impossible to get tokens. Not because we cant do the boss, but because the pandemonium clan goes as far as spending 100k to ruin a run. And not only that, they actually phone each other when we set up a run.... .. . . .. ... .. . .

1. Price's for leveling past 35 are rediculous, however possible. The playerbase's opinion of this matter mostly coincide.

1. Kinda agree about the ktp's aswell. Although i havent complained about it since it was first implemented. If anything put ktps on places you might actually gate train? like perhaps ss, and pretty much only ss...

2. While using a mage i found it hard to fight thieves because they could click you, but at the same time you couldnt round them(assuming they are good at taping a drinking macro, and/or are over the hp in which a 6stam mage can round)... After Day became lvl 36 it became insanely more reasonable, but most people dont have the privelage to use a 36mage and i think it would be nearly impossible to train one now with all the assassins ruling the game.

2. Using a thief is definitely the easiest method of pk'ing in my opinion. Logic would deem my opinion correct, as they have extremely high hits, a 1click attack that rarely misses, and with constitution modifiers they are basically "invisible"(in the sense they can move about without losing much, if any, stamina). Not only they do unsightly damage now, the worst is yet to come. What i mean by this is that 8stam stamina will be extremely overpowering. I myself have only used 6stam thieves(tons of them, highest being a lvl 34) and they did plenty of damage. Cant imagine an 8stam. Anyways point i meant to make was, thieves really dont have an "obstacle" in their way in terms of pvp, or pvm for that matter(See DOTW ).

2. Druids seem to share the power of thieves in the pvm aspects of the game. In pvp however, they are entirely different. They are made to take damage more than deal it out. In a group of 2 or so druids can be extremely lethal. 1v1, not so much. Sure they will win a duel, but when you are fighting someone in the wild and they run from you before you can run them completely out of pots its hard to kill them. Sure you can track, but we've all seen someone log after once you are going to kill them. So thats the problem with druids. If it were possible to engage a countdown of 15 seconds to keep a player logged in after they log IF, AND ONLY IF, they are engaged in player vs. player combat. Meaning either they got attacked, or did the attacking. this would also prevent hit and logging at bosses.

2. Zerkers are beastly. With righteous fury/enhance they will click anything anytime. Only problem is they take alot of damage from every class in game. Not saying its not fair, but dwarf thieves do up around 400 damage on a berserker. Druids, fighters, rangers, heck even other berserkers, all do high amounts of damage upon a berserker. I think this is fair,considering the damage they do(on class/race combo's that they can hit ) ,its just the "problem" they have.

2. All the other classes get the shaft. In dueling clerics/paladins are a good choice, but in the wild i wouldnt suggest "rolling" with one. Rest of classes are obsolete, unless you play this game for a sense of adventure, rather than to be "dominant", so to speak.

guess thats all, atleast for now.

edit: Captain Quinton? i thought his nickname was Logasauresrex, or maybe Kill List Stalker ... deffy not captain though...

Edited by Achilles, 09 May 2009 - 03:04 AM.

[Ember]

Wow 1alt has more problems then baseball and steroids.

[Achilles]

but hey, some of these things present a challenge that some users are willing to take ..

[Masta]

I accept fighters will never rule. But I play one to prove I won't get bullied.

Also with respect to Walt, Not to try sound innocent but I meant I don't get shaded. If you wanna get Captain Quinton onto me do so, You won't stop me training and I will be the first GM Knight. Watch and Observe

[Walt]

1.Please describe the challenges you face when trying to level a character?
I grow bored at times, so I don't train as much.
I see alot of enemy players on and try to track them down and pk them.
Clan chat gets very interesting, and the distractions are more then enough to make you stop training.


2.Please describe the challenges you face when trying to kill a character?
They run away, or log off on me.

Edited by Walt, 09 May 2009 - 02:18 PM.

[Masta]

Fair points raised and I like the comical one. I actually get on with pande when they make me laugh in a comical sense. Similar to Mombas post about all his pks after he had his staff crit removed.

Keep it up, the world is a better place when there is laughter around I have a slightly different mexican pig joke but now is not the time nor place.

[Crane]

Geez; chill out guys, will you?

Everyone has varying opinions of the 1-alt server; some are positive, some are negative, but everyone is entitled to their opinions without the frankly childish "I am a noob who likes to use stupid phrases" responses or anything resembling it.

To help, try to avoid mentioning particular clans or players.


ADDENDUM: Looks like I unintentionally discovered a new entry in the profanity filter!

Edited by Crane, 09 May 2009 - 05:11 PM.

[Angelus]

It's because of the nature of the thread. The question was to mention the things you find challenging, of course people won't see eye to eye on that because it's from your own perspective.

Knowing the player base, and the history they have with each other being such a tight group, things get heated up pretty fast. This thread won't help the game in any way, but it was probably more meant as a venting place then anything else.

If you want to see eye to eye with people you have to 'attack' the game at its core, not the use of it by players. The game is what's allowing things to get out of hand, people are only people, and their use of the possibilities is not something you can blame them.

[Gaddy]

Keep your personal arguements to messages, memos, etc.
Further ridiculous posts will cause bans.

[Thunderja]

I find it challenging to level with such a retarded playerbase. It would be great to have some intelligent conversation while leveling, but that is a near impossibility with the crew we have around here.

[Sausage]

Page me ingame for knowledge.

[Achilles]

page me ingame to laugh with me about clay thinking he's knowledgeable

[Walt]

Keep your personal arguements to messages, memos, etc.
Further ridiculous posts will cause bans.

You do not like 1a, and have said you want nothing to do with 1a, so why do you interject yourself in 1a biz? So self rightious aren't you? Go piss off and play with main where you can control its environment. Your holier than though attitude is getting to be too upity for most of the playerbase to deal with. At least I have the sack to tell you about it.

OK, everyone listen up. 1A players and their opinions, disagreements, and such do not matter to main staff, and should not be discussed or even argued on the NM forum. We shoulod not even bother posting because we are beneath the main playerbase(all 5 of them).

Go ahead and delete this, because I will direct JLH to it and he will see just how "High and Mighty" you think of yourself. He once said he was sick of this sort of thing. I wonder what he will think of this matter and how the Main staff won't even let us who are alot more in numbers on 1a discuss or even argue a point about something directly related to the way that server is being run( or not even run).

That is right, the staffer who said 1a can basicaly rot is not allowing us to have any sort of opinion about a matter dierctly related to the game. WTF is the antisocial one now?

[Achilles]

3. Please describe the trouble's you face while trying to use the forum.

[Crane]

Gaddy probably won't appreciate me talking on his behalf, but his main role seems to be my former role... policing the forums, so if you challenge him or any moderator to delete your post under penalty of being reported to JLH, he may just call your bluff. He may want nothing to do with 1-alt, but he still wishes to keep the forums clean and tidy, no matter what the origin of the debate is.

You are allowed to debate and state opinions - heck, I've said a few uncolourful things about the game, but I avoid directing it at any particular person or group whenever I can; when you attack a person or group in particular, then it turns from a debate into slander. Trying to win an argument by attacking a person's character rather than what they've actually got to say also has its own metaphor... it is known as 'poisoning the well'.

Be honest... if you knew nothing about Nightmist, but stumbled upon this website and decided to look at the forum to see what it was all about, how do you think you would react if you read a topic like this one? I think I would take my gaming talents elsewhere without a second thought.

[Achilles]

Well to be perfectly honest, I have seen posts that should not have been deleted many of times. This might have been some potentially "slanderous" jabs in walts post, but in my opinion it had no reflection on the game. Maybe it should have been deleted. Maybe it shouldn't have been. Either way, I myself would rather see people having petty arguments while discussing the game from time to time than to see the forum being censored, and users ideas/opinions being restricted by what "main staff" see fit. Is it worth loosing the positive aspects of discussion within the forum to remove the negative? I'm pretty sure that everyone that is posting on this topic has played long enough to remember the old forum. Wasn't it great? There was alot more activity, and alot less monitoring. Maybe that was coincidence, I can't really say, but I myself think part of the game died when staff became forum "police".

So we can state opinions as long as we dont say anything about other people or clans? I don't get that impression. http://www.nightmist...mp;#entry212918 ... What happened there? Heck, i don't even see anything really "off color". All i saw in that post was mark disagreeing with most of the playerbase, and then without much of a reason(other than being out jousted) he locked the topic. Oh wait, im sorry. It was locked because it was going "no where". /eyes.

"I sit and wait for your rebuttle, since this debate is far from over in my eyes, and alot of other peoples eyes as well. " -Walt.
When he said this, i would say that everyone that was active on the forum would have agreed, but i guess we were all wrong. Every last one of us.

And lastly, and honestly, if i stumbled upon me and walt discussing the game in whatever manner we chose to do it in vs. the counterpart of learning that staff overly police the forum, i would be more likely to take my gaming talents elsewhere because of the latter.

[Crane]

My own opinions are not always correct - I openly admit that - and your argument about newcomers being discouraged due to staff and moderators overtly policing the forum is certainly a plausible scenario; after all, different people are put off by different things.

Just my personal opinion though, and from my own experiences, but if you avoid attacking staff, players or clans directly, you can generally stay in the clear.

[Achilles]

Opinions are just that. A personal stance on something based on what you THINK is right and wrong. Since we are all different, our ideas and beliefs will clash from time to time. And because of this arguments WILL arise. Who's to say that this natural aspect of life should be shunned from nightmist discussion?

Generally it might be true that you can avoid threads being deleted/locked by walking the fence, but that definitely isn't always the case. I posted one example already, and would be glad to post a couple more but they got deleted. /sigh... When the unknown brew was changed from 100hp to 75hp it caused an uproar you wouldn't believe.(also made alot of people stop using brews on 1a lol..).. Anyways, as most of the playerbase was, walt was against this idea. I however held the opposite stance that coincided with staff. Guess who was complaining about posts being deleted. HINT: It wasnt me. ....
Eventually though the topic was completely deleted, so everyone lost.. but oh well.

Edited by Achilles, 10 May 2009 - 12:11 PM.

[Angelus]

Opinions are just that. A personal stance on something based on what you THINK is right and wrong. Since we are all different, our ideas and beliefs will clash from time to time. And because of this arguments WILL arise. Who's to say that this natural aspect of life should be shunned from nightmist discussion?

That natural aspect as you say shouldn't be shunned, if it's about good food or good music. If it's about other things people like to look at facts, not personal opinions. Meaning if you wish to discuss the 1a server, you would accomplish a whole lot more by transcending your own view on things and treat it objectively.

[Ascer]

Keep your personal arguements to messages, memos, etc.
Further ridiculous posts will cause bans.

You do not like 1a, and have said you want nothing to do with 1a, so why do you interject yourself in 1a biz? So self rightious aren't you? Go piss off and play with main where you can control its environment. Your holier than though attitude is getting to be too upity for most of the playerbase to deal with. At least I have the sack to tell you about it.

OK, everyone listen up. 1A players and their opinions, disagreements, and such do not matter to main staff, and should not be discussed or even argued on the NM forum. We shoulod not even bother posting because we are beneath the main playerbase(all 5 of them).

Go ahead and delete this, because I will direct JLH to it and he will see just how "High and Mighty" you think of yourself. He once said he was sick of this sort of thing. I wonder what he will think of this matter and how the Main staff won't even let us who are alot more in numbers on 1a discuss or even argue a point about something directly related to the way that server is being run( or not even run).

That is right, the staffer who said 1a can basicaly rot is not allowing us to have any sort of opinion about a matter dierctly related to the game. WTF is the antisocial one now?

rofl owned.

[Achilles]

I dont see how my opinion's weight varies based on what i am discussing. My opinion on hating scrubs, and my opinion on 8stamina being to much for thieves have the same value. Maybe you love the heck out of scrubs and want to "debate" me on why it is the best show on network television. Or maybe you think thieves should get 9 stamina. All i am trying to say, is a conflict is a conflict. I cant see eye to eye with you about scrubs being a good television series in the same way i can't see why you would think 8stamina, or in my hypothetical scenario 9stamina, isn't going to be overpowered. It's a fact that 8stamina will do more damage than 7. It is my opinion that 7stamina is enough. There, that better?..

But to be fair, it doesnt matter how objective we are in a discussion that is not particularly aimed at staff. On a side note... Assuming that was your point of being objective, we dont have 1a staff anyways?... i know i know, its personally my fault.. me and the other 1alters... .. ;o

Maybe walt's intentions from his post were to make me elaborate my ideas? That would be pretty objective of him if you ask me. Or maybe he wanted to “own” my post. Who care's what his intentions were, he didnt say anything that should be deleted in my opinion. Sure he was being a little aggressive, but if thats how he wants to post, why cant he? I dont see why he shouldnt have the right to project his idea's, or comment on my ideas in any manner he wants(as long as it doesnt consist of bad language, or something that would really offend someone). ESPECIALLY, if the person he is responding to (ME) doesnt see anything wrong with it.

Edited by Achilles, 10 May 2009 - 01:15 PM.

[Tietsu]

I personally see the problems of the game, but what would be the point in posting it? Posting on the forums leads to how many ideas implimented? 1/10000?

It's a good idea to know where to start, but this is always going to turn into an argument. The imbalaces and challenges are really quite obvious. In -my- opinion, nothing else should be said, it should be fixed.

Ryan, you're probably one of the rare people who will accurately call things out how they are. Walt fortunately is outspoken, but that's a good attribute, whether it leads to trouble or not.

Finally, stop blaming the playerbase for 1 ALT's downfall. It's a mixture of staff (or JLH) neglecting what needed to be fixed long ago, or perhaps their approach to punishments. Now we have to create a new server several months later and throw away that time on what we've achieved. I'll always play the game, but I'd like to see a better attitude, starting with Staff and ending with satisfied players.

Edited by Tietsu, 10 May 2009 - 01:41 PM.

[Angelus]

I dont see how my opinion's weight varies based on what i am discussing. My opinion on hating scrubs, and my opinion on 8stamina being to much for thieves have the same value. Maybe you love the heck out of scrubs and want to "debate" me on why it is the best show on network television. Or maybe you think thieves should get 9 stamina. All i am trying to say, is a conflict is a conflict. I cant see eye to eye with you about scrubs being a good television series in the same way i can't see why you would think 8stamina, or in my hypothetical scenario 9stamina, isn't going to be overpowered. It's a fact that 8stamina will do more damage than 7. It is my opinion that 7stamina is enough. There, that better?..

But to be fair, it doesnt matter how objective we are in a discussion that is not particularly aimed at staff. On a side note... Assuming that was your point of being objective, we dont have 1a staff anyways?... i know i know, its personally my fault.. me and the other 1alters... .. ;o

Maybe walt's intentions from his post were to make me elaborate my ideas? That would be pretty objective of him if you ask me. Or maybe he wanted to “own” my post. Who care's what his intentions were, he didnt say anything that should be deleted in my opinion. Sure he was being a little aggressive, but if thats how he wants to post, why cant he? I dont see why he shouldnt have the right to project his idea's, or comment on my ideas in any manner he wants(as long as it doesnt consist of bad language, or something that would really offend someone). ESPECIALLY, if the person he is responding to (ME) doesnt see anything wrong with it.

I never agreed that posts should be deleted. I'm just wondering why people seem to get worked up every time and think they all bring the solution but don't seem to realize that most of their solutions come from within their own messed up view point. I already said earlier on this thread that I realize it's more of a venting place then anything else, so I'm not judging anyone for their opinions.

But as far as stamina count goes, as in your example, has nothing to do with opinions. You have 8 references (other classes) for every decision you make on one particular class. The things that lack to put this references in effect are ground rules. Ground rules are easily made by taken into account the role playing aspect. Fighter should win 80% of open fight against thief. Berserker should win 70% of open fight against fighter. Of course this is as shallow as can be, as there are a lot of other factors included. But it is how you secure the platform, then every new addition/update can, where needed, run through these ground rules (laws) and the outcome will show you where tweaking needs to be done.

Just because you don't see immediate action taken (as of when the idea for the new server started) doesn't mean things aren't heard. As far as Walt goes, he tends to go a little overboard, with the whole "stfu" in font size 7. Discussions are great, personal attacks and pushing people into heated convo's are not. This doesn't mean that I don't occasionally do the same, but I try not to argue with the obvious outcome of that.

Edited by Angelus, 10 May 2009 - 02:51 PM.

[Desendent]

Keep your personal arguements to messages, memos, etc.
Further ridiculous posts will cause bans.

You do not like 1a, and have said you want nothing to do with 1a, so why do you interject yourself in 1a biz? So self rightious aren't you? Go piss off and play with main where you can control its environment. Your holier than though attitude is getting to be too upity for most of the playerbase to deal with. At least I have the sack to tell you about it.

OK, everyone listen up. 1A players and their opinions, disagreements, and such do not matter to main staff, and should not be discussed or even argued on the NM forum. We shoulod not even bother posting because we are beneath the main playerbase(all 5 of them).

Go ahead and delete this, because I will direct JLH to it and he will see just how "High and Mighty" you think of yourself. He once said he was sick of this sort of thing. I wonder what he will think of this matter and how the Main staff won't even let us who are alot more in numbers on 1a discuss or even argue a point about something directly related to the way that server is being run( or not even run).

That is right, the staffer who said 1a can basicaly rot is not allowing us to have any sort of opinion about a matter dierctly related to the game. WTF is the antisocial one now?

He monitors the forums, and decided he was sick of the stupid personal attacks and you're going to go and attack him? B/c the "opinions" that were being given were more bickering than just giving an opinion.

hmmm and we wonder why staff doesnt want to work on 1a

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