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[Pureza]

I think it should be made to where Pacifists can't drag monsters along with them. I was trying to train in dungeons, the room of haunt specifically. When a paci came along and decided he didn't want me to train and started dragging wall crawlers and pained spirits all over me. A rather childish thing to do, if you have a problem with me training there log your party and try to kill me. Don't drag a bunch of crap around to kill me do it the old fashioned way.

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he has a point o.0

[menardi]

paci's shouldnt even be allowed in dungeons they have no reason to be in there

[Simulation]

Agreed.

If a paci is against war, why would he want a monster following him? He knows it will just kill him...

[Squee]

If a paci is against war, why would he want a monster following him? He knows it will just kill him...

Martyrdom.

[Simulation]

Doubt it

Also, a paci would know that monster would kill someone, so it would be against their beliefs to let it do that.

[fallen]

Supported.

[Sleeping]

paci's shouldnt even be allowed in dungeons they have no reason to be in there

Dungeons is area with highest undead population in game. Pacifisits can (and does) train on pained spirits and demonic soliders.

[Sneaky]

Undead Marcus? Spirit of King Whatshisface? Pretty much EVERYTHING in Trials of Gauntlet?

[Eamon]

If a paci is against war, why would he want a monster following him? He knows it will just kill him...

Martyrdom.

A suicide bomber wishes for martyrdom.

A pacifist wishes for peace.

The absence of pain and the ending of life.

Not to allow himself to die, or to assist in the death of others, as that paci did.

[Chii]

Umm...Can't we all just get along? And by that i mean...If you are going to be effin stupid ignorant ass simply DON'T play. ty...have a nice day.

[Squee]

By no means was this particular pacifist trying to be a martyr but it is easy to see a pacifist throwing away his (or her) life for the sake of others.

(A suicide bomber is one type of martyr. In a fantasy world, martyrs are usually those who simply sacrifice their lives for others. Gandalf (had he actually died) would be a martyr when he decided to fight the Balrog himself so the remainder of the fellowship could flee.)

Back on topic: You shouldn't seek to punish all pacifists because one isn't playing it properly. Not all pacifists are contradictory in their workings.

[Despair]

pacifists abuse their invincibility sometimes and abuse like this should be dealt with, Pureza has made a good suggestion to tackle this problem, if anyone can think of any better suggestions then go ahead . . . but I believe this is the best way to tackle this problem

[fallen]

I personally think paci dragging monsters just makes alot of random monsters drug everwheres and a big mess so is why I supported.

[Ashton]

remove the dragging or remove the pacifists, they are invincible therefore dragging assloads of monsters has no effect on them, only the 2nd party of which they are dragged upon. Pacifists are by FAR the most abused class in the game and all the ways they are abused are to hinder players on normal crits or to cheat out of something normally difficult.

Edited by Ashton, 17 August 2005 - 08:21 PM.

[Sneaky]

Allowing pacifists not to drag monsters would mean they would be allowed back into chronos. Which would then mean they would be abused as they were before, just no side effects.

Let's give people a little bit of a challenge in Nightmist.

[Pureza]

I'm not suggesting that pacifists be punished in any way, if anything them not being able to drag monsters would be an improvement for the class. And as Fallen said would clear up alot of messiness that they create when they run though certain areas. Pacifists have as much reason as any other class to be in the dungeons as it is the best experience for healers that i've come across and as far as I know it is the best in game. But hey i'm still a noob, so what do I know.

[Roidhun]

Allowing pacifists not to drag monsters would mean they would be allowed back into chronos. Which would then mean they would be abused as they were before, just no side effects.

Let's give people a little bit of a challenge in Nightmist.

Challenge? By creating yet another possibility for one adept crit to take out a party of 5-10 arches?

/sigh remove pacifists from the game...

[Pureza]

Another point, yes paci's are quite abused. They get used quite often in the desert when rob/jose and ed/bill train. One runs a paci the other runs the party, keeps them from being pk'd. It's a good strategy but an abuse of a pacifists powers.

[Foamy The Squirrel]

let me comment on this , im a lvl 23 paci , i don't see the point in getting ride of the pacifists because you don't like them dragging stuff , maybe if they run out of mana and are low on health and have no gold to tribute for mana they can run because how else would you escape just die and loose exp i don't think so i think this is the gayest topic, i don't think pacifist should be taken off the game for nothing , ive worked my ass off on lvling , so stop moaning that we try to kill you , but we don't do we, thats all i have to say

[Pureza]

I never suggested removing them from the game, just changing the way they work a bit. Not being able to drag monsters would benefit them in a situation where they have to run and can't just recall. I personally don't use them so I have no opinion on whether they stay in the game or not, just make it to where they don't cause trouble for other non-pacifist parties training in the same areas.

[Foamy The Squirrel]

looks its not our fault , like i said if we run out of mana and can't recall we have to run , so stop moaning for pete's sakes

[Pureza]

/t foamy if you could possibly comprehend english you would understand that i'm not saying anything about removing the pacifists from the game, just making it to where they can't drag monsters along with them, you being a pacifist user should support this cuz when you do have to run the more monsters you drag with you the quicker you die. Ergo(sp?) if your not dragging monsters while you run there is less of a chance of you dying. Perphaps you should get out a dictionary and look up the words that you don't understand on my very first post, i have not once said remove them from the game, just remove the ability to drag monsters when they do run.

[Foamy The Squirrel]

yea but i wasn't saying you wanted them out the others do though

[Pureza]

/t foamy well just support my idea of removing the drag ability from paci's and be done with it. Not too much to ask now is it.

[Foamy The Squirrel]

ill but this in words you might understand , stfu im a 14 year old freshmen , so i may not understand some things but i do understand whats going on i just don't like the fact that some people want to get rid of pacifists of the game

[Pureza]

C'mon guys lets keep the flaming and insults to a minimum, i'm just tryin to get enough support for this to get JLH to code it into the game, i don't want a who has teh best insults thread. I'll make one of those later so lets please try and keep everything on topic

[Foamy The Squirrel]

if you want JLH to know ill tell him threw msn

[Foamy The Squirrel]

hes read it already

[Pureza]

I'm sure JLH has already read this thread, but I doubt he's seen enough support for the idea to actually put it into the game and I too can talk to him on MSN about it, how do you think I got my forum name changed from halon back to pureza.