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[Lady_Maha]

Let me start by simply saying that I am fully aware that some of you think this is an unneccessary post and that there have been many like it and that things will not change anyway, but that quite frankly I don't care anymore. Things have gone too far, and it's high time someone, anyone, does something about it. If not staff, then we as a community have to.

I am sure you all have noticed that the general attitude towards other players has reached an ultimate low. People we all knew and respected, people who had a sense of honor and were trustworthy are leaving left and right because they are tired of putting up with increased amounts of theft, cussing, smack talking etc, while those who ruin the game through their immature actions know they pretty well can continue their ways without much fear of punishment.

Things I am asking of other players to try and make life easier on all of us:

Before you open your mouth to insult someone, think about the fact that although you might not see the person, there is still a living human being on the other side of the internet that might get really hurt by your actions and insults.

Quit using your NM skills to try and shut people up. Not every argument can be solved by pking someone. Develope verbal skills instead and try to make valid points. (I am a noob who likes to use stupid phrases and stfu noob are NOT valid points).

Treat others with the same respect you want to be treated with.

Remember that this is supposed to be a game we all play for fun. Yes, we pk each other occasionally, but in the end it's all a game. Anything we own on here is worth no more than monopoly money. Don't ruin friendships over a game, don't cheat or steal.


I wonder why it is so hard for some people on here to remember the simple rules of being a civilized human being, why some of those people get no enjoyment out of it unless they can make someone else miserable. Are your real lives so messed up that you have to vent your anger on people who have never done anything to you? Is a game so important to you that you have to throw away friendships and decency to better yourself at it?

I remember when I was in school we had a way of handling people who behaved in such ways. We simply started to exclude them from anything and everything. I don't know how many decent players are left here, since I watched more and more of them leave over the issues I addressed in here, but it's high time that those who are left do something about it. Exclude them from the community. Don't be scared because they have more alts, higher levels, more skills in the game. Boot them from your clans, take them off your friend lists, stop talking to them, don't buy their crits or items and don't sell any to them either.

As the players we have the chance to show them that we don't want them here, we just have to grow the guts to actually follow through with it. Are we so cowardly and greedy that we have to suck up to them? I think not...

Think about it...

[Shiet]

I totally agree, most these reasons, are reasons y i'm not going to play afterwhile anymore

[Ecton]

WOOT MAHA WOOT! Im with you! << Ectoy... I think we should all stop being (excuse me for this word) Idiots and killing each other over something a person says. Also, I have been insulted on this game, and it dont feel good! ITS JUST A GAME ALL SO START PLAYING IT RIGHT!

Ectoy!

Edited by Ecton, 14 January 2005 - 04:04 PM.

[Silver_Dragoness]

*nods* I personally am tired of the what people have become on this game. But I'm not goin to quit just because a few people tried to shoot me down with insults. It hurt my feelings, yes... but I will not quit playing because of it. Some of you people have to have really low self esteem to insult others and treat em like they are dirt jus so you can make urself feel better. All I gotta say to some is... stfu and grow up.

[Humaa`Serafine]

I totally agree with this post because, quite frankly, there are people who don't know how to just shut up. They see a posting about someone, let's say they don't like, or get along with, and feel taht that post is just not complete unless they throw their useless 2 cents in. That is quite tiresome, old, and just shows how they truly feel about themselves. I don't know though, if this plan would work or not Tanja but, wouldn't it be nice if it did. Then maybe some of the REAL Trash would leave, and the players, who just simply want to play, CAN. I don't know. It's worth a shot I think. I removed the trash from My list long ago so, guess I'm set in that department. And, I just ignore what they say if I see them either in game or posting because, it's a waste of My time to read what they say, simply because it's nothing more then petty nuts said to make themselves feel better. Growing up I was taught, when someone insults you, what they say truly reflects how they feel about themselves. Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it?

[Exor]

Its not like anythings gonna change. All games have players who are assholes. This game just has a few more than others.TBH id just say find another game to play then. ;\

[Humaa`Serafine]

Its not like anythings gonna change. All games have players who are assholes. This game just has a few more than others.TBH id just say find another game to play then. ;\

Such a nice vote of confidence

[Lady_Maha]

Well Mark, I disagree. I refuse to let people like that ruin my game time. I like the game itself, so why would I quit and find another game? I won't change my favorite restaurant and go to one with less good food just because I don't like the other customers either.

The problem with my idea is that a lot of players simply don't have the nerve to stand up to some of those people for fear of being pked. However, if there are enough that do grow the guts it might just work...

Edited by Lady_Maha, 14 January 2005 - 04:36 PM.

[Vodka]

However, if there are enough that do grow the guts it might just work...

Ha, I have that and am now known as a "Drama Queen". Didn't work.

[Nuke]

Wow Maha... *Bows* I can tell thats been hanging around in your system for a while... I totally agree btw. Numerous times has somebody gone up to me and INSULTED me... and it doesn't feel very nice.


What I say is that you shouldn't insult them back because you then have a slagging match.. just walk away. Yeah so what they might keep paging you and put you on their KOS list, yeah they might make all their clan attack you, but you're the one with a brain, not doing anything because you are SMARTER and BETTER than the 'Slagger'.

.o0~Kieran~0o.

Edit: You should be proud of the game this guy has made...

Edited by Nuke, 14 January 2005 - 04:46 PM.

[Crane]

It is unfortunate that the player base is like this nowadays... and I can imagine that it will discourage new players from sticking around. I simply try to talk only with the genuinely nice people and keep my distance from those whose congeniality is questionable... it is a shame that the number of nice people are declining because of the ever dominant face of the people with a knack for being outright rude and disrespectful.

[Dan]

Although I tend to agree, I still don't plan on returning to gamelay. The simple reactions throughout the forums shows the same ammount (if not more) of disrespect as what would be seen within the game. I find myself coming to these forums only to see what drama scene is happening that day.

I left because the game went downhill. It was obvious how this person had to blame that person for something, then it would turn into a soap opera between more then just the original persons, only to further it'self into who could flame who better. As I just told you in msn, I've concluded that about 85% of the NM community are idiots. Not in the respect that they are dumb, but in the respect they lack the comon curtesy for others as they would like to recieve. Very, very few people still have my respect here. They know who they are.

The game will continue to fall as more and more people decide to join. That's prety much a norm. The larger a community gets the worse the attitudes become. Because someone may be better, have more, or the opposite of this, there will be conflicts that bring this to surface. It's almost as if everyone thinks they're perfect and should be treated as such. I for one am not and never claimed to be perfect(in or out of game) or even good (when I did play), but nowdays it seems everyone is better both ingame as well as out of game.

Edited by Dan, 14 January 2005 - 05:25 PM.

[Momba]

lol I have been on this thread like 30 minutes, and have backspaced 100 times.

I was going to start by saying be more specific as to who you are refering to, but then I already knew and I am sure the other players do too.

Then I was going to rant about a topic such as this that was posted on the old forums over 2 years ago. Then I realized that the same person we are talking about today is the same person we talked about 2 years ago. They are still here and the person who started the topic is long gone. So that defeated the whole reason for me starting my post that way.

Then I started over with the thought that if you have a problem with a player that you email JLH unedited text of actual NM conversations in where you feel you have been verbally abused. Then I realized that gets you no where either.

Then I reflected back to a time when where you sat defined the type of player you were. That kind of seems the best way to approach this concidering none of the above ideas worked.

SGH has always been the spot where the nuts talkers gathered. But not just any ole type of nuts talker. These were generally the weaker nuts talkers. The ones who would use personal information to make you look stupid infront of everyone on the square, but would rarely log on an alt for a duel. This one has always been the most popular even for those not talking nuts because is was often the most humorous.

Arilin Gates were filled with people who liked to train. They would often take thier little rangers and druids into the forest hacking away at the big bad bear until someone pked them and then they would bring thier big bad arch army who had until this time sat idle at the gates awaiting a chance to shine. This area also attracted alot of attention, but generally only after a clan would violate they unwritten nopk rule. Then the good times would begin and huge clan wars would be fought at the 4 way. Pots and mana flying every place.

Sewer Entrance #1 was for the bad asses of NM. The ones who talked super smack and wasn't affraid to back it up. If you got the best of them clannies would be called in and some of the best battles ever fought in NM was 1 square down into the sewers.

NGH was genrally your less experianced players. They too would have thier own little mini wars. And would often go untouched by larger more powerful clans. The more powerful players would in most cases just sit back and watch the show so to speak. One of my most memorable moments was at the NGH. While in Crooked Halos myself and several clannies decided to goto the Orc Caves and train. We made what we at the time thought was the most powerful party thier was. This to discourage others from PKing us. But there was a form of evil that just wouldn`t leave us alone. That evil came in the form of a crit named Kalypso. She began tracking our party and simply just would not leave us alone. So we came up with this bright idea that we would take her one north of the northgate house and teach her who was the boss. That didn't work. She on only 1 crit slaughtered our party. As the leader of the party I felt bad. Because the only thing I could see on my screen was pots and mana flying, my clannies being returned to our clan house, and two simple words echoed throughout our clan chat by almost everyone, "Go south!!!!"

One day all this came to a halt tho. It was the day pacifist were created. You couldn't goto the 4 way anymore to battle without a paciing casting JZ ruining all the fun, you couldn't goto sewer #1 to settle personal differances or call other players out without an invis paci and JZ on the square. No one wanted to train in the forest any longer because it is just a sure fired way to get pked and pretty much can't do anything about it. And last but not least you couldn't settle it at a boss. You honestly have no clue how humble players can be knwoing they want to be able to get a shot at a crystal ring or sand wurm hide. You take the pacis out and watch how well people start acting towards one another knwoing that one slip of the tongue means your gonna get popped at the next boss.

I'm not going to suggest getting rid of pacifist (but I would like them gone). What I will suggest is letting were you sit define the type of player you are. There are hundreds of safe squares in this game. Choose one that suits your own personal needs for conversation. Hell be the first one there and define what kind of square you want that to be. Most of the verbal abuse comes from the SGH. Lets be the better player and step away. I personally am going to sit in the fountain in Resthaven.

Edited by Momba, 14 January 2005 - 06:39 PM.

[Bishop]

When malicious players are allowed to flourish, this is what it comes to - and with NM2 in production, there are no staff to enforce a respectable gaming atmosphere even if they wanted, which it doesn't seem they even care about anymore anyways...

Don't get me wrong, we (our clan) try and keep our little niche of NM as respectable as any, but there's only so much one little clan can do Essentially we are forced to keep to ourselves and our allies – which works out well for us, for the most part. The rest of NM….good luck :/

[Night_Angel]

Maharet you are entirely right. and Momba i miss the days of satying in one genral area and there were ppl you never even inew existed cause they were in a different area. this game is going to hell and honestly i dont think its the staffs responsibilty to change all of it. we (as players not every one of us) made it this way, so we need ot fix it. and exor if you would just find another game do it.

[DragonHeart]

i agree,player attitude towards each other has been low,but to be quite honest,i don't really care how anyone acts toward me on here,cept my cousin,i don't see how any one could,i mean,its just like real life,ya got peeps whose yer friends and ya got peeps who'd make fun of ya fer anything.

[deadman]

Maha i agree with you 100% things need to CHANGE! alot. This game has made its turn for the worst and pretty soon i wouldnt think twice that JLH would shut this game down bc of the way it turned out. This game was made for kids of all ages not for ppl to be turnip heads curse whenever they want say what they want and try to use their Nm "skills" to voice their words. Have you ppl ever heard of grammar? of sentence structure? of voicing your opinions through words? I dont think you have the way this game turned out.



Learn some respect for your fellow players. Learn what the game is all about. Its not about who can kill who more or who can curse an talk more smack, its about trust, having fun, meeting new ppl to talk to, and using free time to have something free to play. Lose the stupid attitudes and play the game. What we need is for some ppl to start enforcing the rules around here. Whether it be the NM community patrol or whatever it may be even if like 2 staff are hired to police the game.

FOLLOW THE RULES FOR ONCE!!

[Exilus]

While I agree, there also has to be a collective decision made, if even one of your friends says hey did you hear what that guy has pulled in the past you would have to remove someone. even if that person just shares with an offender. You can not say well he sares with so and so and he is my friend so i have to deal, No for this to work you would have to tell the friend that they share with, either you share with them no more or you are just as cut off.

Even putting up with someone because they share with an offener would be just like not cutting the person off. But other than that i agree.

Deadman i agree with what you say but you have to remember there are people like me, that unfortunetly spelling and grammer mistakes are a fact of life, it comes when you can barely read with out the letters and numbers dancing a jig on the screen.... But i understood what you meant and would just offer the clerify even if there is no grammer involved, try respectful..

[Ecton]

I'm posting again =\ wow this topic has gone far since I woke up... Anywho, I think that the staff should do something about the situation, like make a swear filter where if someone swears the system picks it up right away instead of waiting for someone to report it. I also think that anything, and I say ANYTHING, insulting to another player that the staff can think of should be put in a database where if someone says anything from the certain insult, they get banned right away...

Just some thoughts.....

Edit: Oh also, About what momba was saying... I remember those times to, and I want it to be like good old times.... JLH if you read this, you remember how happy players were in the beginning, now everyone is pissed off at everyone and killing each other because of a insult or rumor. Consider my suggestions staff!

Ectoy!

Edited by Ecton, 14 January 2005 - 09:58 PM.

[JLH]

filters don't work, people will just using weird letters or spaces

[Penguin]

Its not like anythings gonna change. All games have players who are assholes. This game just has a few more than others.TBH id just say find another game to play then. ;\

/nod

[Lifeless Void]

Haha... turning ghetto...

[Amy]

Well, I have read this over and over. Alot of different possible solutions here. I do agree that there are many that are totally disrespectful of other players in both verbal abuse and as well as in the way they play the game, steal from others, etc.. When out of game rudeness comes into play, there definately is a problem.

A solution? I am not sure there really is one. There are alot of ways to look at it: Join em? I don't think so. At least that isn't something that would work for me. I truly believe that if you stoop to the level of those that you do not agree with, you are just as bad as them. Now, take this with a grain of salt, am not saying if someone pks you not to hit back.. am not saying to sit there and "take" abusive behavior. What I am suggesting, is possibly walking away. Think about it, I know that this is a game, but what would you do in real life? Take children for example. What does one do when a child is misbehaving? First of all, why not say: "I don't like how you are talking, change your attitude.. " and then walk away? First and foremost though, there are tons of great people in Nightmist. As Lady Maha suggests, don't associate with those that you don't respect perhaps? Or tell em to have a nice day and then ignore them. You can /ignore a player.

Then again, some perhaps are "rude" because of the characters they create in an rp aspect. Hence, if anyone has ever met my crit "Bess Hawkins" she is rather rude, but because I created her as such. If ever anyone has been offended by her rather blatant sarcasm, I do apologize, she was made to be the "opposite" of Amy and rather mouthy. In no way at all do I ever intend out of game or irl insults from her.

Another thing that those that are here to play the game and have fun, meet others and enjoy their time on Nightmist can possibly do is exactly what they are doing.. have fun. Continue setting the example and doing what you enjoy doing. We can't force others to believe in the things that we do, just as they can not force us to act as they do. We each are responsible for our own actions, and each action has consequences.

On a side note: Some also, disrespect the staff as well as other players, by griping about who gets away with what, we are not making the situation any better. We can of course let our opinions be known, but... we are not children (well, some of us aren't).. I get so tired of seeing: Staff helped so and so, and not so and so.. well we are not there perhaps, we don't always know each situation nor what evidence is present. The TOS is clear, the rules are clear. Lets all just try to do our own parts.. if each of us do, it will perhaps get better.

Now, back to what Lady Maha was saying, sorry about my little rant lol.. Don't give in to these peoples but also, don't add to their drama, rudeness, nor to their attempts to ruin the whole game.. it won't and can't be ruined if we don't let it. In essence, as the wise Lady Maha says, ignore them.. ranting back to them only gives them the negative attention they want. To be honest, I think it is rather amusing to reply with merely "Good day, journey safely" after someone insults me. i know it isn't the answer they want, but why should we give them what we want and get ourselves into trouble or break the rules ourselves?

Another thing, I do believe that people can change... if given the opportunity to do so. All of them? Nah, that would be but a pipe dream. However, there are many that I have seen that were right along with the worse of them cursing and insulting, that have tried to turn a new leaf, lets continue to give them positive reinforcement and support.

All in all, ultimately, we can only be responsible for our own actions. Take a good look at yourself, and ask "is that the way I would want to be treated?".. if not, perhaps try something new, and truly attempt to make someone smile today.

Just my two cents.

Good day to all,
Amy of Draco

*edited due to typo*

Edited by Amy, 14 January 2005 - 11:42 PM.

[Humaa`Serafine]

/clap Amy Bop Bop!

p.s. a little long winded granted but, thank God. I was on the phone, and had an excuse to let the person go!
*Excuse being that I was reading something that needed all My attention*

[ChainSaw]

After reading what you have posted and mainly mombas i decided to step back and see what kind of a player i was. I'll admit i've done my fair share of being a jerk, cussing, swearing, and other things that plague nightmist these days but as i relized that i grew sick of that fact that i was like that.

Point is i don't think a lot of nightmist players that are considered "bad" are half that bad. They just don't relized exactly how disrespectful and rude they are to people. I'm not saying go around and become friends with every one and don't pk. I'm saying stop judging people befor you even know who they are. If your going to kill some one just do it. Countless times i have been pked then paged with nub, noob, and so on. Have some dignity honor and a sence of pride.

[combusta]

Not 2 flame ya maha but

its a game....all u have is the pking 2 back up your word...its not like ima hunt som1 down IRL if they pk me...respect is somthing IRL its a gd game i dont care if people respect me less on this game TBH...

w/e its not surprising that one of the ppl who just sit around and talk on a game based on fighting each other made this post

Edited by combusta, 15 January 2005 - 02:39 AM.

[jurian]

you ppl write too much. just t's not gonna work if they don't get punished and excluding them won't work since there's just too much fo them and it's allways groups of friends. or they are just like me and are assholes so they cans tay alone

such a waste of all your time making long posts it's just not gonna work.

[Deathwish]

you ppl write too much. just t's not gonna work if they don't get punished and excluding them won't work since there's just too much fo them and it's allways groups of friends. or they are just like me and are assholes so they cans tay alone

such a waste of all your time making long posts it's just not gonna work.

Which makes me think this whole thread is "ghetto"

[Lady_Maha]

Not 2 flame ya maha but

its a game....all u have is the pking 2 back up your word...its not like ima hunt som1 down IRL if they pk me...respect is somthing IRL its a gd game i dont care if people respect me less on this game TBH...

w/e its not surprising that one of the ppl who just sit around and talk on a game based on fighting each other made this post

I am not saying stop pking, I am saying stop using your pking skills as an argument in something totally unrelated. When you sit somewhere and discuss politics and don't like someone's opinion, will you be able to convince them otherwise by pking them? I don't think so... use facts and verbal skills instead and you might have the chance to change their minds.

Oh, and I don't just sit around and talk. Just because I am not a pker doesn't mean I go out, train my characters, make gold, go to bosses. Pking is a part of the game, but not the sole purpose, and some of us prefer to not pk. That doesn't make us any less good or active though.

[combusta]

/nod alone

and what im saying is all we have 2 brag about is our pking/dueling abilities....so if we cant brag bout that...what can we brag about?