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[the business]

Can we get rid of the silly maths questions please?

[alone]

No.
Why? - It's a way to prevent auto-rollers.

[the business]

oh.. Well.. Still get rid of it.. It's the most annoying thing ever...

[Crane]

If there was not something like a maths question appearing every so often, then auto-rollers could be made and everyone would be running around Nightmist with 5 and 6-stats. It is a small inconvenience, but it is worthwhile in order to prevent auto-rolling.

[Dark]

to be fair if sumone was talented enougth and bored enougth to cheat on this game it would prob still be possible to make one

[Redheart]

Excuse me but the math questions are the only thing keeping me awake when rolling !

[Sean]

lol If you were making an auto-roller its not hard to get around the math questions.

[Lady_Maha]

That's why over time JLH added more and more things to the roller, because people managed to make auto rollers anyway. It actually did start with regular math questions (only addition and subtraction, if I remember correctly, actually using the + and - sign). Later on it was changed to the words it has now, along with multiplication added. Another security feature is the shifting position of the rolled stats now. But I'm sure as soon as the next auto roller is disovered we will have another nice new feature on our roller. I wonder what JLH will come up with next.

[Oracle]

Hopefully cheat detection with a Temp-Auto-Permban. Made permanent when JLH can check it.

[Lifeless Void]

Hopefully cheat detection with a Temp-Auto-Permban. Made permanent when JLH can check it.

OKAY!

[the business]

well if you put it that way... *sighs*

[Lifeless Void]

well if you put it that way... *sighs*

*comfort*

[the business]

lol, thanks... Crane/pandi/who ever... can lock this now.

[Sean]

Pandi? oO

[Dark]

That's why over time JLH added more and more things to the roller, because people managed to make auto rollers anyway. It actually did start with regular math questions (only addition and subtraction, if I remember correctly, actually using the + and - sign). Later on it was changed to the words it has now, along with multiplication added. Another security feature is the shifting position of the rolled stats now. But I'm sure as soon as the next auto roller is disovered we will have another nice new feature on our roller. I wonder what JLH will come up with next.

you can make an autoroller that totally bypasses the questions all together btw

[the business]

i'm sure jlh would love to hear about that...

[Dark]

prob hes a smart guy he prob knows of it its nuttin magical or netin altho i dont think theres much he can do to stop it

Edited by Dark, 21 May 2005 - 02:25 AM.

[Lady_Maha]

you can make an autoroller that totally bypasses the questions all together btw

I am sure that with enough programming skills you can bypass just about every security measure, hence me stating that as soon as a new auto roller is discovered, JLH will probably add yet another feature. It's a constant game of delay pretty much.

[Crane]

I won't lock the thread because there is some interesting discussion here.

I may not have this right, but this would stop most auto-rolling and I sense it works something like this... most of the rolling is done on the server to prevent it from being rigged. All the client can do is send a request for a new set of stats, with only the selected race as a parameter affecting the result. The questions, I believe, are generated by the client, but are written graphically in varying sizes and such, and the numbers are written out in their full names rather than digits so it is much harder to use a character recognition technique on them.

As for the rolled stats themselves, the numbers are ever so slightly distorted (there are black dots randomly scattered over them) and randomly shifted so, once again, character recognition algorithms have a hard time determining whether a good roll has emerged.

[Bubba]

There already was a Auto-Roller made for the new Rolling system with the Math Questions.

[Lady_Maha]

Good, since JLH gets alerts for suspicious rolling activities...mwahahahaha... so unless the roller stops at random intervals and then starts again, chances are someone is getting banned for using it.

[Sean]

lol it's not hard to make a box for getpixel api to loop through and check for the colour. And make random intervals so it isn't suspicious. tbh theres never going to be enough measures in place to stop auto-rollers and it's going to be a big problem when NM2 comes out. I suggest scrapping the roller all-together and bringing in a new system.

[the business]

lol it's not hard to make a box for getpixel api to loop through and check for the colour. And make random intervals so it isn't suspicious. tbh theres never going to be enough measures in place to stop auto-rollers and it's going to be a big problem when NM2 comes out. I suggest scrapping the roller all-together and bringing in a new system.

And how long would that take.. + any idea's

[Sean]

I think a Diablo 2 sorta idea would work like when you lvl up you get to add points to stats.

[HazzA]

sounds like a good idea, but you'd have to be about lvl 100 to get stats such as dwarf?, + some people would go crazy with certain stats for e.g str... if theres another way, suggest that?

[Sean]

Yeah but you gotta add up stats evenly because you dont wanna end up with really low dex or con or w/e.

[HazzA]

true but in all, you'd have to be about lvl 80 to gets stats like a dwarf on nm1

[Dark]

there is one way to stop it totally but noone wood like it

[Sean]

No no no no no. What I mean is. You still get to choose a race or whatever. And you start with standard stats of that race. Then when you lvl up your just adding points to things. But if that happened either the hp or the way stats affect you would have to be changed.

[Dark]

you can keep the current systems and still block auto rollers but coz ur all lazy it will be still possible lol