34 replies to this topic

[green_mantis]

now i know this has been brought up before, but i still think it could be a good idea, though i am making some changes. for instance: a lower level ranger still having his/her longbow is tired of doing less damage, they should be able to buy arrows that augment their bow and add more damage or effects.

[Megalomaniac]

I think Regular arrows should be infinate and u could buy arrows that are poison, Paralysis etc.

[alone]

Megalomaniac, on Feb 29 2004, 02:16 PM, said:

I think Regular arrows should be infinate and u could buy arrows that are poison, Paralysis etc.

Mhmm, I like that alot..

But doesn't it just make the rich more able to kill things - Making them more gold.
Where as the poor have to suffer with normal arrows - Making less gold.

And so increasing the gap further?

[Mec]

Hmm, I think you should be able to eat them too!

[green_mantis]

i was thinking like this: a ranger can make his/her own arrows, so they dont need to buy more, but i was thinking that they should have a slot on their bow for arrow upgrades so that they could equip a modifier for their arrows.

example: fire arrow

base damage:0 description:this attachment glows red, and radiates a little heat.
By equipping this attachment a ranger causes his/her bow to deal an additional 2-7 points of fire dmage as well this causes the arrows launched from the bow to have the effect of torches

[Megalomaniac]

Or u do a Mosh for ranger's every Month or something and u get a couple of the arrows i suggested (Then they will ave 2 work to get them)

Edited by Megalomaniac, 01 March 2004 - 05:57 PM.

[Zapatak]

That would be a cool idea, say every ranger joins the mosh has like a max of 5 arrows or any # determined in the beggining, and must put strategy to use and use their arrows intelligently. So as to not run out of arrows and have to use their bare hands or something.It would make things interesting.

But there would have to be other rules like no dropouts or something, it would have to be thought through before attempted.

Edited by Zapatak, 02 March 2004 - 05:08 AM.

[Drac]

the idea of usable arrows that you must buy is a bad idea and would unbalance the class. None of the other classes have to buy consumable weapons, why should rangers? however, i do think it is a good idea to perhaps make a scroll that rangers can 'study' to learn new bow skills. Maybe a fire or an ice arrow? (may clash with flaming arrow, but maybe it should be removed, modified, and turned into a scroll?)

Edited by Drac, 06 March 2004 - 07:27 AM.

[Megalomaniac]

Yea Ice Arrow sounds kool, maybe it could freeze there feet so they can't move off that square? Like an Ability with no dmg just too freeze there feet.

[green_mantis]

i said to buy attachments for the bows that rangers use to allow them to have special effects that are coupled to the arrows themselves






(sigh) no one really reads anymore

[Monte]

I liked the idea of having infinite regular arrows, and purchasing special ones. Just thought I'd let you guys know.


--Monte

[iggy]

Drac, on Mar 6 2004, 07:26 AM, said:

None of the other classes have to buy consumable weapons, why should rangers?

because ranger isn't like 'other class'

seem it would be reasonable for each class to have a something that could be call 'unique'. Something that make them stand out. In this case, something that say 'RANGER'.

I like the idea a lot. This might unbalance the 'already powerful' ranger....but it can easily be fix by changing bow's base damage -- maybe??

[Wolfgang]

i dunno whether i like this idea, or if i loathe it.

anyway... Pick any of the suggested ways of implimenting them, and it means a lot of extra work for game programmers and staff.

I dont think its gonna happen.

Edited by Wolfgang, 10 March 2004 - 08:32 PM.

[green_mantis]

if you dont think it is going to happen what are you doing posting on the forum?

[Wolfgang]

green_mantis, on Mar 11 2004, 09:00 PM, said:

if you dont think it is going to happen what are you doing posting on the forum? 

I fail to see the logic in this statement.

I do not think it is going to happen because it means a lot of extra work for game staff (namely the programmers). They would need to create whole sets of items, and recode every existing bow so that it can be equipped to.

My reason for posting was to point that out, while stating the fact that the idea intruiges me, and if the game staff are willing to put in the time and effort it would be interesting. Though it could easily go horribly horribly wrong.

Plus it would be very buggy at first.

Edit: Changed phrasing, slightly
Edit 2: ... Dont even ask. *fixed grammer on edit 1*
Edit 3: ... Fixed grammer on edit 2. ...

Edited by Wolfgang, 12 March 2004 - 12:21 AM.

[newb]

Programmer*

(JLH)

[Oiy]

My arrow idea

fire arrow - poison
ice arrow - lose stam
acid arrow - hardly ever misses
bodkin arrow - ignores armour
Deathsnake arrow - 90% chance of missing, does 4*damage
+ any others

These would be abilities (like rapid fire) so you coudnt use them together with rapid

You would buy the abilities from guilds, or get them from boss drops (powerful ones like the Deathsnake)

The number of 'special' arrows you have is given by your mana bar, you recieve 3 'mana' per level, so an arch would have 90 'mana' ie special arrows. The special arrows could be put into game as 'spells' costing 1mp and requiring a bow in hand

Manacrystals would be changed so only magic users can use them. A new item is added, a 'quiver', which is a 30 point manacrystal usable only by rangers.

Regular arrows would be unlimited

[Wolfgang]

Its an interesting idea... though i cant say that i like the mana idea.

[Megalomaniac]

I don't like the idea of mana to be honest because there are people in game that might not want to reset there crits and go to all the different Guilds again just to get +3 mana. Maybe they would but i dont know. i think they should be abilitys instead that take like 2 stam each time.

[green_mantis]

how i had said it it would require relatively few changes compared to the mana replacement idea

[Velveta]

This would be Good to have. But the arrows dmg cant exceed more then 5 bd for it would be too powerful for ever one. soo you would have..

Wooden arrows 1 bd
Steel arrows 2 bd
Sliverleaf arrows 3bd
goldentip arrows 4bd

[Megalomaniac]

No point on buying arrows like that.

[green_mantis]

Velveta, on Mar 14 2004, 03:25 PM, said:

This would be Good to have. But the arrows dmg cant exceed more then 5 bd for it would be too powerful for ever one. soo you would have..

Wooden arrows 1 bd
Steel arrows 2 bd
Sliverleaf arrows 3bd
goldentip arrows 4bd

now, i never said that you should have to buy arrows but you should have to buy attachments that would add modifiers to the bow you are using (ie fire arrows would add fire damage and burn enemies and ice arrows would add cold damage and slow enemies)

[Megalomaniac]

Yea Modifiers is better than buying arrows.

[ice_cold]

Drac, on Mar 6 2004, 07:26 AM, said:

the idea of usable arrows that you must buy is a bad idea and would unbalance the class. None of the other classes have to buy consumable weapons, why should rangers? however, i do think it is a good idea to perhaps make a scroll that rangers can 'study' to learn new bow skills. Maybe a fire or an ice arrow? (may clash with flaming arrow, but maybe it should be removed, modified, and turned into a scroll?)

Mages

[ice_cold]

Velveta, on Mar 14 2004, 03:25 PM, said:

This would be Good to have. But the arrows dmg cant exceed more then 5 bd for it would be too powerful for ever one. soo you would have..

Wooden arrows 1 bd
Steel arrows 2 bd
Sliverleaf arrows 3bd
goldentip arrows 4bd

20 damage onto the powerful damage a ranger does, is still incredibly high

[Wolfgang]

green_mantis, on Mar 14 2004, 08:41 AM, said:

how i had said it it would require relatively few changes compared to the mana replacement idea

No... not really.

Your idea would mean reprogramming every single bow in the game. As does every other suggestion made here, plus they require the creation of new items, and then ideas for how each one would work, what they would affect, by how much, where you would get them, how much they would cost, what level you have to be used at, can they be used by any bow or just this specific one or maybe even a few specific ones.

In response to the one about everyone having to reset, they wouldnt. It would be programmed in that rangers get 3 mana at every level, and if i'm thinking correctly (which i'm not sure that i am), they would all automatically be given the correct amount of mana. Downsides to this is that it might require editing all mana restorative items, and the creation of a new item, which would be sold (probably at a supply shop) for a yet to be decided price.

Though rather than make them "spells" you could just make them abilities, and have them available at a high level (kinda like Flaming Arrow, which is available at level 29

Instead of making them spells, you could just make them abilities... like... Flaming Arrow. o.O



as i've said before... "The idea is cool, but I dont think that it will work in Nightmist."

And before green_mantis comes in and asks me why i'm posting if I dont support the idea, again, is that I dont think it would work well in nightmist.

I have to give you props for at least suggesting things, and being active in the forums, but you need to think things through a little bit more before you post them.

[Velveta]

What is the Maxium damage a Ranger does at lvl 30 with out spells rapid fire>
80's 90's? sometimes 100's

berserkers.. Hit for 110's unspelled
and to armor Kills rangers
you rapid fire people with armor your 80's 90's -100's cuts in half too 20's 30's and some 40's soo i would think its needed But oh well

[Wolfgang]

in the scenario you're using... (berserker vs ranger)

berserker has no armor. So it wouldnt be cut down. What you should be complaining about it berserkers being unbalanced. Go post in the berserker class discussion. Rangers do not need arrows, methinks.

[Megalomaniac]

Velveta, on Mar 17 2004, 03:11 AM, said:

What is the Maxium damage a Ranger does at lvl 30 with out spells rapid fire>
80's 90's? sometimes 100's

berserkers.. Hit for 110's unspelled
and to armor Kills rangers
you rapid fire people with armor your 80's 90's -100's cuts in half too 20's 30's and some 40's soo i would think its needed But oh well

hmm i doubt they do 20s 30s and 40s more like 50s 60s and 70s on armored Crits....