41 replies to this topic

[Tom]

im gona vote pally b/c i think there being left behind.

[Exor]

naw.pallys own.1 vs 1 unbeatable IMHO

[Sean]

Yeh i think pally too cause they need something to make people wanna buy them.
But if i had a second vote i would say fighters.

[jurian]

imma agree with pally it's only good in duels but to train them sucks donkey balls.

[Eternyte]

I voted Thief. I think they need to be updated because they are only useful when used in numbers.

I think thieves should have the ability to /spy player, and be listed with the items within that players inventory. They should be able to /steal item item item/player. The more items they try to steal, the less likely they are to succeed.

Then their assassinate should be renamed 'backstab', and the damage kept about the same.


OR...

They should be called Assasins, they should lose their stealing ability. Their hp should be higher, but their armor a little lower. When they attack someone from covert the Assassinate should be a 50% 1 hit kill, but ALWAYS do damage, but only from covert.

When assassinate from open view, they should have a chance to miss, but also a big chance to do high damage. 1 hit kills would be a lot less successful.

[Lady_Maha]

Didn't leave my reason earlier because of lack of time, so here I go now:

I voted fighter. Simply look at how many people go into triplex on a fighter, barely any, and those that do probably use the fighters because it's all they have. When have you last seen a fighter win any tournaments? The fact that nobody wants to play them anymore should be proof enough that they need improving.

[Cule]

i voted fighter, but pallys need's some improvement aswell.

[Redheart]

I voted Pally as they seem to be unwanted these days

[Epic]

Didn't leave my reason earlier because of lack of time, so here I go now:

I voted fighter. Simply look at how many people go into triplex on a fighter, barely any, and those that do probably use the fighters because it's all they have. When have you last seen a fighter win any tournaments? The fact that nobody wants to play them anymore should be proof enough that they need improving.

Because everybody joins on mages these days..since they can round anything except a zerker pretty easy

[Lady_Maha]

Well yes, people love mages now, but you see just as many zerkers and rangers, so I'd say those three classes are pretty well set while fighters are as good as worthless nowadays.

I can't comment on pallies, since the only pally I have is too low lvl to give me an idea about how well they stand.

[Gaddy]

I think most of the classes have been fairly well balanced out. I still think berserkers round things too often, but whatever, I just don't care about that very much anymore.

Maybe there should've been a "None of them" option..or maybe there is one and I missed it.

Anyway, if I were forced to pick a class, I would ask that fighters be given some abilities...they are just kind of too simple in my opinion. If berserkers are basically just insane naked men and women running around with a big axe hacking and they get two abilities, surely a fighter, trained in fighting, should have some kind of skill.

[PureMourning]

Fighter.

[Tom]

Maybe there should've been a "None of them" option..or maybe there is one and I missed it.

/t gaddy sorry didnt think anyone wouldnt want an opinion


seems like pallys/fighters is a popular choice to make better the new sword seems to have been a fairly weak attempt to balance them, although i gotta say fighters with cobalts are fairly good.

[Exodia]

Didn't leave my reason earlier because of lack of time, so here I go now:

I voted fighter. Simply look at how many people go into triplex on a fighter, barely any, and those that do probably use the fighters because it's all they have. When have you last seen a fighter win any tournaments? The fact that nobody wants to play them anymore should be proof enough that they need improving.

uh fighters are kickass, they dont need nething new reallly

[Malavon]

/t gaddy sorry didnt think anyone wouldnt want an opinion

He did say one though. His opinion was that none of the classes really needed changing.

[Epic]

Fighters need another ability(duel weild) or a 7th stam

[Crane]

I actually vote Ranger... there is not much wrong with the class, but I feel it is a bit wrong that they can wield shields and bows at the same time. Bucklers are fine, but the massive shields carried by Fighters and Paladins? They can use swords with one hand, but bows need both hands, and you cannot draw back a bowstring if you are holding onto a shield or your arm is weighted down by a huge slab of metal.

EDIT: Bracers are okay too!

Edited by Crane, 23 October 2004 - 12:05 AM.

[Crane]

Mind you, there would have to be a substitute like heavier armour or Hypnotise being more effective (or simply used more often)...

[Thunderja]

Fighters for sure

[lowmion]

Fighter's

[Raylen]

I voted fighter, mainly for the reasons listed above.

I would have voted to update pacis, but only if by "update" you meant "remove"

[Tom]

I would have voted to update pacis, but only if by "update" you meant "remove"

agreed lol,

[Rappy_Ninja]

update fighters/pallys plz

[Fire Fly]

I voted pally because they are in a real need of updating. Fighters would have been my second choice though.

[Oracle]

Opinions on this are fine but it's worth bearing in mind Pandilex is temporarily absent from his major roles, including class balancing.

[Gaddy]

I'd like to know how people want pallys to be updated.
Fighters, there have been suggestions of stances and such...how would you update the pallys? Read this whole post before you say how please, PRETTY PLEASE. Flaming doesn't bother me, but to flame without knowing what I said would be rather unfair. ;p

From what I'm looking at-
-They have spells that enhance themselves and party members a lot.
-They can use the 3 best weapons in game (cobalt, BoT, and sovereign sword---unless you say hawk talon is better than bot).
-They can heal themselves and others.
-They get to equip pretty much the best armor--just like fighters pretty much. As I understand it, -6.

So basically, they are excellent for fighting in 1v1s and they are a great class to have around if you want to be able to slip in high spells that don't wear as quickly as RF or if you want to be able to tack on a small extra heal.


What are you guys suggesting they should get so that they're better?
Hit harder to make fighters completely pointless? (6 stam yes, but they can't spell themselves--5 stam is as much as 6 if you get extreme dex or high str + zerks took 6 stam already)
Or raise their heal to make clerics un-needed?
Unless someone can suggest some kind of better way of updating them that doesn't ruin another class or make them entirely overpowered...I don't think they should be modified.

I will say this much in their case. They do not make sense for all players. I don't have one. They simply they don't make sense for me to use. Good abilities but I like other hitters and clerics.
-Gaddy

[Ryuku]

Pallys could be updated as such
http://www.nightmist...?showtopic=6867
http://www.nightmist...?showtopic=7037

Druids can be updated like this.
http://www.nightmist...?showtopic=8549

[Momba]

If you update a class then someone is just gonna pregnant dog that another class is weak. So ya update the other class and the cycle starts over.

I didn't vote. I say leave em as they are. If ya don't like em don't play em. You if you like em and feel they are over powered by other classes then maybe you should make some game changes of your own. No everything is created nor should be equal.

[Haku]

Fighters and Pallys

[kracias]

I think fighter b/c even with armor and stam the other classes have better abilities. Armor shouldn't be a fighter's only strength they should be able to either deal more damage or take more damage.