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[Ghost_Wolf]

1a has been around for a while now.We have been battleing some of the larger monsters in game and have now begun to take down the colisium bosses to lvl past 30.Demlich has been killed,(with major issues may i add.)(Mage/Druid-self healing-), Gristle has been attempted(Theif and Ranger-self healing-) and Guruk the Ugly has been killed.(Fighter=stands and lets you smack him.)With information gathered on the last two bosses i have come across an issue that might need looking into.I have gathered intel that six..count them 6 fighters managed to take down Guruk with ease.This boss does not heal and seemed to provide little fight for these six fighters at lvls 26 to 30.Now i am not complaining about the fact they got the tokens, infact i am glad they got them, so this is not a post meant to say "It was to easy your tokens have to be removed."This is about the fact that 13 thieves/rangers only managed to get Gristle to mod.Both of these mentioned groups had pots.(The fighters had 200ish and the ranger/theif group had 500ish)Girstle when attempted went on a WILD healing spree healing himself from mod to healthy in a matter of seconds.This happened multiple times in the hour or so the group was there.If one looks at the theif and ranger classes you will see that the rangers are more like zerkers in the fact that they often miss getting good rounds ever 7 rapid fires.A theif on the other hand manages 200-300 every 5 stam assassainate they pull off.(80-200 for three stam click.)(These are based of arch crits only.)Now fighters don't miss as much as zerkers and rangers do, and they are capabale of more damage then theives.I suggest the bosses be looked into to make sure they are balanced properly for what i have seen so far i find that Gristle and Guruk are at the moment needing some help.


Again this was not a complaint about the fighter party getting their tokens so i will not appreciate anyone pageing me or flameing me on this forum saying "You are just mad cause we got ours and you did not."This was posted to be looked over and people to give their thoughts about the above statment.

[Oracle]

If you think the ranger/thief is hard, talk to someone who knows what the cleric one is like from multi. Just to point out.

[Backwash]

i took a lvl 23 crit o.O so not 26-30 <3 =D

[Woodstock]

mmm i think i stated our party 3 posts ago if you dont mind paying attention. and was roughly 200-250 pots per attempt. before accusing the party, know the facts, but i agree, fighter boss is too easy and others too hard.

Edited by Woodstock, 27 August 2007 - 10:03 PM.

[Ghost_Wolf]

Once again there was no acusseing of anything.the post was made to make people aware.
->To backwash-The info i collected at the time stated the people who where at the boss at that moment, but even if a lvl 23 fighter goes and kills it does that not raise warning flags?
-> To Oracle-The statements made where for the 3 bosses currently attempted or killed.Since the change of the colisium players are not sure now if the bosses are the same as on main now or not.

Edited by Ghost_Wolf, 27 August 2007 - 11:40 PM.

[Jumpsteady]

my opinion is everyhting should be balanced out... if its not gonna heal itself make it hit really hard... should only be fair... bosses that require u to lvl should be hard thats a fact... u should have to require the help of others... that fighter boss sounds too easy... the thief rnager boss shouldve been take down last night... if that couldnt how was the fighter boss so easily taken down... i mean make it a challenge... let it heal itself too...

[Throwback]

yea, most of these arguements have been made in the 1a balancing thread just two below. Plz read that before posting here as most of this is repeating what is said more so than adding to the debate. But for sake of posting on the thread, i agree nuf said

[Jumpsteady]

corey i only read the original post by cody and aded my two cents NICK WINS!!!

[Scripto]

I watch the thief/ranger fight last night.. you guys coulda done it.. but then a few if you didn't stayed healed an died which slowly killed your chances of killing it...

Just because your first attempted failed don't mean its not possible...

Just keep trying before you start complaining.. just because someone is able to kill something don't mean you will beable to.. stop comparing one boss to another and deal with the one your after...

So like I stated above...

Don't complain because you didn't win the first time and yell un-fair-ness.. deal with what you have and stop worrying about everyone else and work on your class...

If you think fighters got it so easy roll a fighter... etc.. etc..

All classes are DIFFERENT

So why should thier bosses all be the same?

(Before anyone says anything.. I know I repeated myself.. but im hoping it sticks in so I won't have to repeat myself in the future.)

[Ryuku]

The fact is.

A colisuem boss that doesn't heal, infact "almost" ANY boss that doesn't heal, can be taken down with absolute ease, do to the fact unlimited ammounts of potions/mana (very cheap if you have a crafters ring) can be used throughout the battle.

Make all the colisuem bosses heal themselves so potions won't help, you still need to have a certain ammount of attack power to win. Their hp might need to be adjusted for this.

Edited by Ryuku, 28 August 2007 - 01:57 AM.

[Sleeping]

A colisuem boss that doesn't heal, infact "almost" ANY boss that doesn't heal, can be taken down with absolute ease, do to the fact unlimited ammounts of potions/mana (very cheap if you have a crafters ring) can be used throughout the battle.

Crafters ring's potions/mana are not so very cheap anymore. It's been changed today.

Regarding balancing issue... Ask yourself, would you rather have level 35 fighter or level 35 thief/ranger? Fighters class is the least potentional at high level and so it's coliseum bosses is of lesser difficulty then for other classes.

[Trevayne]

A few points:

1) Not all classes are the same. There are far fewer fighters in game. They are relatively easy to level and relatively less powerful than other classes. The fighter coliseum combat (Guruk) is limited to only one class (instead of the two or more allowed in other coliseum fights). Starting to get the picture?

2) You are complaining about two fights that were quite unequal in many ways. I watched the complete battle on both fights. There were more high-level fighters to withstand the high-power attacks from Guruk than there were high-level thieves/rangers to withstand the lower-power attacks from Gristle.

3) It's possible that some re-balancing might be in order. Given that the combats were worked out before there were nearly enough high-level characters on the server to test anything, I'd say we came up with a pretty close guess. If anything, if statistics were changed, they would likely be to make all of the fights harder. Honestly, if you make us re-evaluate the combats at this point, you're probably going to be even less happy.

4) The decision to have the bosses be made such that they were class-specific and required help from many players was made by JLH based on options the staff gave to him. It is extremely unlikely that you will see any changes that alter this. 1a was designed to require cooperation. If you don't like that, come back and play multi.

[Demented Kitty]

...ok....WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK I AM COMPLAiNING!!!!!!!no..this was not about complaining..this was not about accuseing anyone of anything.i made this post to show a differnce and to try and find an answer which treyvane gave me.WTF IS IT WITH THE ' oh he is just mad cause we got ours and he did not get his.."???
>To al the fighters who got there tokens.-I am happy for you, good going, all that good jazz.
>To everyone else who thinks i started this post to try and start some sort of drama.*gives you the bird.*

What is it with trying to show a difference in something and looking for answers?is this not what the forum was designed for?...some people need to get a grip and catch a clue.

[Oracle]

I agree the fighter boss should be made harder, but I'm away for a week now. bye!

[Ryuku]

Which raised the price on the unknown brews anyway?

Hopefully not the one who participated in the fighter boss and waiting till they got 4 tokens to change it

[Trevayne]

I changed the price on the unknown brews, as the system log clearly shows. If you have a complaint, you can bring it to me.

If I see any more implied accusations of staff abusing the system, you'll find yourself banned.

[Ryuku]

I wanted to see if Trevayne was serious. He was. I'm banned until 09-07-2007. Next time, I'll lose all my forum privileges too.

Edited by Trevayne, 30 August 2007 - 03:04 AM.

[Ryuku]

Because of an increased amount of abuse from unruly players, if you give staff any abuse at all, including accusations of cheating, bad language, offensive comments, etc. then you can and will find yourself BANNED. Be polite and receive the same in kind. Problems with staff conduct should and can ONLY be resolved by e-mail - contact myself or JLH by e-mail. The addresses are in our profiles. -Pandilex

Even though I've seen this every time I logged in for the last two years, I still can't get it into my thick head that this is a rule that actually applies to me. Since I can't seem to understand simple instructions, I've lost my posting privileges.

Edited by Trevayne, 30 August 2007 - 03:40 AM.

[Throwback]

alex r haxxor, but seriously alex let it go

[Woodstock]

brew price changed before the fighter boss fight but after the thief boss fight. we spent over 50k on brews. GG alex, sorry ur banned.